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Wed, 12 Apr 2023 05:01:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83leix7269.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259730 Archived-At: On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii wrote= : > > > From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:35:23 +0100 > > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 62720@debbugs.gnu.org= , > > larsi@gnus.org > > > > > > Can we put this tiny patch on master then? > > > > > > Yes, if Philip and Stefan don't object. But, since there will be a > > > command for updating core packages, doesn't this go against your > > > desire not to change the UX? > > > > IMO The user experience is bad/broken. > > We don't yet have the other command, let alone any user feedback. So > I don't think you can know this is bad/broken yet. You may think so, > but I happen to think differently, so let's not behave as if this is a > fact already. I was talking about the current state, obviously. It's bad/broken, IMO, as I described the original bug report, and noone really contested that I think. As to the new command you're proposing I think we'll both agree that it's adding _new_ UX to the Emacs 29 pretest, something which is at least infrequent. > > So at least I want to change it, if minimally. That's what any bug > > report is about, to change UX for the better. Here, to let people > > not to have to go through odd hoops big or small to install packages > > or know if something is built-in/core or not. > > Using a specialized command for a special job is nowhere near jumping > through hoops. Right. But we fundamentally disagree that this is a "special job". There's 0 reason why it should be.