From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49278: 28.0.50; Lisp Mode is for Common Lisp Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 21:55:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87y2asa6lg.fsf@gmail.com> <835yxwo7td.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25749"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 49278@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 29 22:56:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lyKmM-0006ZP-5y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZSosvvVgq750mzLga1q1amvZqb60EpEgXuT97OaPg4I=; b=ldKHHBEJIx9al6Ktr7Ky1hRUjb8rggtw3mQ1XHs5EvS6HZy1499IhpSkANBOAHOoEU c6cuNhy9JFSD9OivU59QdKza7C+EEfL2STskkjXmdrMXFp9+8k3od0MrkrvAes5EjfwD R7qv9VVjTrprCVzKjLocMqwk3YflNah/0h7465cirij45rLMmUvFkmAldzJsQjm4BknD g79M9Sc9+Tq8eYw2ccJb173UM2WOn/rTMObJfPw9c/ZyaIFHLoaSBzFVSACrc5bmJswi BJxocBjnJISnv8R+5POyEXeAIOOK4HLzT8oVVmoE4KgOTu/MOoqRKwQx2r9cj16L4mAI T8hw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531WgidgNkyCdRlncW4ohe2T/dKghlB78dyhza84mtTlSj9G2cyA 7C+c6G7hQ8rMTTJbjsLSZIOq/yT0Tj0J0ZBt1gg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxLrhJZfOVWjBO6BLDAEPqdJ09UviTxC/u9ITfzzUVA8kuIjiLxLamVvfmXf0OIwfQvyyQnwxUAMxtIT8FD36M= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7b87:b029:128:345d:f596 with SMTP id w7-20020a1709027b87b0290128345df596mr23798330pll.36.1625000147609; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:55:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209121 Archived-At: On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:46 PM Stefan Monnier w= rote: > > >> + Lisp mode is the major mode for editing programs written in Common > >> +Lisp or its ancestor dialects. Its mode command is @kbd{M-x > > I think we should remove "or its ancestor dialects" here. That also works for me, but as you said, it might work reasonably well for MacLisp etc, too. > >> (define-derived-mode lisp-mode lisp-data-mode "Lisp" > >> - "Major mode for editing Lisp code for Lisps other than GNU Emacs Li= sp. > >> + "Major mode for editing Common Lisp code. > > Here I'd prefer to mention CL without un-mentioning the other Lisps. > > There's no reason to deny they exist or existed. > > The question is to describe what this major mode is designed to do. > > People who want to look at Maclisp code (or other defunct dialects) will > probably want to use `lisp-mode` for the simple reason that Maclisp is > reasonably close to Common Lisp so it's the closest major mode we have > to offer, but the user should not expect correct handling of Maclisp in > those places where it differs from Common Lisp, because `lisp-mode` is > written specifically for Common Lisp and not for Maclisp: compatibility > with Maclisp has not been taken into account for more than 20 > years, AFAIK. Yeah, but fair to say MacLisp hasn't evolved tremendously in those years (and neither has Common Lisp sadly). So I reckon lisp-mode wouldn't to a terrible job in most MacLisp programs. And maybe even SLY and a modern Common Lisp compiler could probably grok MacLisp or Franz Lisp code given sufficient hand-holding. Anyway, I hope the main point is across: remove suggestion that it may be used to derive modes for _new_ lisps unrelated to Common Lisp. --=20 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora