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AJvYcCUfRNW/98g90OwbZIKh/zIjxMClethPB7iJ9rLxSNBriaHDXf5sSBnSe9CRQU9xA/MoPth1cUsye1zy2kaPfsC3r29YExc= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyxXbZ+Sr3fIavvZE2N0fVOMvudS7HsLEAbcMm8LzJJWsEPBSL7 HcMQGK0udsyju5J4KB6LV4Ldq7cNQSBH691sB6jXiWrUIFrA+AFXbajXUTmy4ytVOma1MhkfzTm Dp8wvLvPfMmA6KW0YzcOiI53QGZY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHmVvlfuRJFE70QTsQ1bImwYqpVwfFdb/Tg2bZdA/iaCTeuU1Muh7QefSJH8hJZeWLSENNtxsLywe8iQnMWhv8= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a313:0:b0:2dc:e69a:fdbc with SMTP id l19-20020a2ea313000000b002dce69afdbcmr493599lje.1.1713518562279; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 02:22:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87zftpn2fb.fsf@thornhill.no> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:283658 Archived-At: On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:10=E2=80=AFAM Theodor Thornhill wrote: > > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 7:09=E2=80=AFAM Theodor Thornhill wrote: > > But that could be down to other reasons Theodor. We would need data > > for that server too. Last time I tried jdtls (on a docker-based TRAMP > > setup, described somewhere in the mailing list), it was snappy. > > > > If you make a simple recipe like this one I can absolutely > > try though. The difficulty in that one was TRAMP. > > > > I can try, but these repros are hard, because it is hard to find an open > source java project where I easily can construct similar scenarios. And > also time. Yes, it's hard, indeed. But it's very valuable. IOW, we shouldn't make design decisions without gathering hard data and reproducible experiments, like we did here. There are lots and lots of litte factors so at least two people reproducing the same results in a plausible agreed-upon scenario (again, like we did here), is important. Jo=C3=A3o