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Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:18:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <831qkf97y9.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260279 Archived-At: On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 5:01=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora > > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:04:30 +0100 > > Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, rpluim@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, > > 62720@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 2:35=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii wr= ote: > > > > > My interpretation of option 2 is that we get a newer Eglot (1.14 or > > > 1.15, whichever you decide is stable enough) with various minor > > > fallbacks intended to work around the fact that dependency packages > > > are not necessarily at their versions for which Eglot 1.14/1.15 was > > > designed to work, if the versions of those dependencies in Emacs 29.1 > > > are older. > > > > Why put ourselves (mostly myself) through these chores?? > > Because I thought we agreed that requiring newer versions of other > packages where that could be avoided (note: "could be avoided", not > "is nice to have") is a Good Thing, and is well worth these chores. > But if you don't agree, fine; just one more disagreement between us. I gave plenty of arguments (which you didn't contest) for why doing this is a very bad thing (in my opinion of course). If your utmost priorit= y is to not require newer versions of other packages, then 1.12.29 should be just fine! It will work without an internet connection. And it will be mu= ch more consistent and well tested than Frankenglot 1.1x, because it will go through the pretest period. > > Just so that two weeks later after whatever Emacs 29 is officially > > released a more recent, "stable" version is already available? > > No, just so users of Emacs 29 could have a better Eglot without any > complications. It wouldn't be better. It would be a different thing, a maintenance nightmare for one. What if the user then _did_ explicitly install of those dependencies? Installing a package and its dependencies isn't a complication, it's how it has worked for years. _You've_ decided it is a complication (and made it more complicated) for Eglot Emacs 29. But people have been doing it for years. Jo=C3=A3o