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Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:38:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83sfd5761f.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259720 Archived-At: On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:23=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii wrote= : > Why do you insist on threats of reverting being the only efficient > means of communications about these matters? This is supposed to be a > collaborative effort, not a confrontation. Of course. But we don't agree Eli, and that's a normal part of working with someone. No need to use the words "threads" or "confrontation", or suggest this nasty ill will on my end. No one is threatening anybody. I was just asking nicely if I can add the command: you're the head maintainer, you have to make a decision at some point. > If we are going to have a special command for upgrading core packages > (and it currently looks like we are), then having an additional > Eglot-specific command for a similar purpose would be against our > common goal of having a UX that changes as little as possible, given > the restrictions. What else can I say to express clearly that I would > like such a command to not be installed? I wouldn't want it either, but it seems the least bad of all solutions here. Package.el is in my honest opinion very inconsistent already. M-x package-isntall does one thing, package-update does another, then there's the "package upgrades" in the menu which use yet different logic. I am beginning to understand why people are flocking away to straight.el and elpaca.el. Given this poor situation, I think that adding yet _more_ complexity to package.el UX is worse. But I don't want to stop you from doing that if you really think it's the correct way. No confrontation here, Eli. And in fact, if I'm wrong and people love `package-update-core-package` and find it consistent, then `eglot-update` will just fall into oblivion and be forgotten, and we can deprecate it just like we did `eglot-manual`. So please, work with me and give me the benefit of the doubt that this 4-line helper command in Eglot won't hurt anybody and might actually help somebody. Jo=C3=A3o