* Re: "help" content [not found] <20161017182623.GC2852@bhayya.baalamithra> @ 2016-10-30 8:08 ` Gavin Smith 2016-10-30 16:30 ` bug#24825: [help-texinfo] " Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <83shrdpzni.fsf@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Gavin Smith @ 2016-10-30 8:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: madhou, bug-gnu-emacs; +Cc: help-texinfo@gnu.org On 17 October 2016 at 19:26, madhou <madh2001@gmail.com> wrote: > I just noticed in the "help" content which is accessed via the key 'h', it is > mentionned that the '?' key stroke should display a brief list of commands. It > actually prompts with a "Regexp search backward: " instead. After doing some > search on internet I found that the right key that works on my version of > texinfo is 'H'. I'm running slackware 14.2, the version of the GNU texinfo > shipped within is 6.1. Hello, the content accessed via 'h' (the info.info file) is maintained in Emacs. Maybe one of their developers could change the text? (info)Help-^L You have just learned a considerable number of commands. If you want to use one but have trouble remembering which, you should type '?', which displays a brief list of commands. When you are finished looking at the list, make it go away by typing <SPC> repeatedly. >> Type a <?> now. Press <SPC> to see consecutive screenfuls of the list until finished. Then type <SPC> several times. If you are using Emacs, the help will then go away automatically. If you are using the stand-alone Info reader, type 'x' to return here. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#24825: [help-texinfo] "help" content 2016-10-30 8:08 ` "help" content Gavin Smith @ 2016-10-30 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <83shrdpzni.fsf@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-10-30 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gavin Smith; +Cc: 24825, madh2001, help-texinfo > From: Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:08:40 +0000 > Cc: "help-texinfo@gnu.org" <help-texinfo@gnu.org> > > On 17 October 2016 at 19:26, madhou <madh2001@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just noticed in the "help" content which is accessed via the key 'h', it is > > mentionned that the '?' key stroke should display a brief list of commands. It > > actually prompts with a "Regexp search backward: " instead. After doing some > > search on internet I found that the right key that works on my version of > > texinfo is 'H'. I'm running slackware 14.2, the version of the GNU texinfo > > shipped within is 6.1. > > Hello, the content accessed via 'h' (the info.info file) is maintained > in Emacs. Maybe one of their developers could change the text? > > (info)Help-^L > > You have just learned a considerable number of commands. If you want > to use one but have trouble remembering which, you should type '?', > which displays a brief list of commands. When you are finished looking > at the list, make it go away by typing <SPC> repeatedly. There's a problem here: the '?' key still does in Emacs what the manual says it should. So this is a discrepancy between the Emacs Info reader and the stand-alone Info reader, and I'm not sure Emacs should be the one which changes. Why was '?' in the stand-alone reader bound to search-backward? It makes little sense to me, at least when in the default Emacs mode. (I notice that '?' has the same binding in the vi mode, perhaps someone wanted to have the cake and eat it, too?) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* bug#24825: [help-texinfo] "help" content [not found] ` <83shrdpzni.fsf@gnu.org> @ 2016-10-30 17:00 ` Gavin Smith [not found] ` <CAKPWYQ0jQa2vX71TTarvbco7k9QCSXE_eQ4NjB14qgUSXNQ59A@mail.gmail.com> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Gavin Smith @ 2016-10-30 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24825, madhou, help-texinfo@gnu.org On 30 October 2016 at 16:30, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > There's a problem here: the '?' key still does in Emacs what the > manual says it should. So this is a discrepancy between the Emacs > Info reader and the stand-alone Info reader, and I'm not sure Emacs > should be the one which changes. I was asking for the documentation to be changed to mention that you can press H in the stand-alone info reader, not for what emacs does to be changed. > Why was '?' in the stand-alone reader bound to search-backward? It > makes little sense to me, at least when in the default Emacs mode. (I > notice that '?' has the same binding in the vi mode, perhaps someone > wanted to have the cake and eat it, too?) Because "H" is available for the help window and ? searches back in both vi and less, and users may be used to using the latter to read man pages and using / and ? to search through a manual. / also searches forward so it is consistent for ? to search backward. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* bug#24825: [help-texinfo] "help" content [not found] ` <CAKPWYQ0jQa2vX71TTarvbco7k9QCSXE_eQ4NjB14qgUSXNQ59A@mail.gmail.com> @ 2016-10-30 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <83r36xpxzr.fsf@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-10-30 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gavin Smith; +Cc: 24825, madh2001, help-texinfo > From: Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:00:37 +0000 > Cc: madhou <madh2001@gmail.com>, 24825@debbugs.gnu.org, > "help-texinfo@gnu.org" <help-texinfo@gnu.org> > > On 30 October 2016 at 16:30, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > > There's a problem here: the '?' key still does in Emacs what the > > manual says it should. So this is a discrepancy between the Emacs > > Info reader and the stand-alone Info reader, and I'm not sure Emacs > > should be the one which changes. > > I was asking for the documentation to be changed to mention that you > can press H in the stand-alone info reader, not for what emacs does to > be changed. How can we change the documentation to say that 'H' invokes the summary, when in fact the summary is invoked by '?' in Emacs and by 'H' in the stand-alone reader (and 'H' in Emacs does something related, but different). The info.texi file is supposed to describe both. What am I missing? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* bug#24825: [help-texinfo] "help" content [not found] ` <83r36xpxzr.fsf@gnu.org> @ 2016-10-30 17:12 ` Gavin Smith [not found] ` <CAKPWYQ2VPAEFuDsk=qyA+BO75RZD0OHAjCeFHN=-jLKedYPocg@mail.gmail.com> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Gavin Smith @ 2016-10-30 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24825, madhou, help-texinfo@gnu.org On 30 October 2016 at 17:06, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: >> I was asking for the documentation to be changed to mention that you >> can press H in the stand-alone info reader, not for what emacs does to >> be changed. > > How can we change the documentation to say that 'H' invokes the > summary, when in fact the summary is invoked by '?' in Emacs and by > 'H' in the stand-alone reader (and 'H' in Emacs does something > related, but different). The info.texi file is supposed to describe > both. > > What am I missing? It can mention both, like $ diff info.texi.orig info.texi 399,401c399,401 < @kbd{?}, which displays a brief list of commands. When you are < finished looking at the list, make it go away by typing @key{SPC} < repeatedly. --- > @kbd{?} (or @kbd{H} in the stand-alone Info reader), which displays a > brief list of commands. When you are finished looking at the list, make > it go away by typing @key{SPC} repeatedly. 404,408c404,408 < >> Type a @key{?} now. Press @key{SPC} to see consecutive screenfuls of < the list until finished. Then type @key{SPC} several times. If < you are using Emacs, the help will then go away automatically. < If you are using the stand-alone Info reader, type @kbd{x} to < return here. --- > >> Type a @key{?} (or @key{H}) now. Press @key{SPC} to see consecutive > screenfuls of the list until finished. Then type @key{SPC} several > times. If you are using Emacs, the help will then go away > automatically. If you are using the stand-alone Info reader, type > @kbd{x} to return here. I'm not sure what "H" is supposed to do in emacs but the Top node of info.info states "Type 'H' to see a summary of all available commands." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* bug#24825: [help-texinfo] "help" content [not found] ` <CAKPWYQ2VPAEFuDsk=qyA+BO75RZD0OHAjCeFHN=-jLKedYPocg@mail.gmail.com> @ 2016-11-04 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-11-04 8:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gavin Smith; +Cc: 24825-done, madh2001, help-texinfo > From: Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:12:40 +0000 > Cc: madhou <madh2001@gmail.com>, 24825@debbugs.gnu.org, > "help-texinfo@gnu.org" <help-texinfo@gnu.org> > > > How can we change the documentation to say that 'H' invokes the > > summary, when in fact the summary is invoked by '?' in Emacs and by > > 'H' in the stand-alone reader (and 'H' in Emacs does something > > related, but different). The info.texi file is supposed to describe > > both. > > > > What am I missing? > > It can mention both, like That's sub-optimal, and IMO runs the risk of confusing the readers, but if the stand-alone Info reader won't change its keybindings, I guess that's the only solution. > I'm not sure what "H" is supposed to do in emacs but the Top node of > info.info states "Type 'H' to see a summary of all available > commands." I fixed that one as well. I'm therefore marking this bug done. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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