From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Aaron Jensen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60220: 29.0.60; macOS 13.1 crash shortly after starting Emacs Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:24:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27006"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Paul Eggert , 60220@debbugs.gnu.org To: Gerd =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 30 15:25:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGK2-0006pt-9P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 15:25:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGJk-0007dS-Pd; 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Did you allow everything to native compile before starting > > the restart loop? > > Also, please try to run it outside of LLDB and see if it crashes there. FWIW, with CFLAGS=3D"-g -O0" CXXFLAGS=3D"-g -O0" and running in XCode it seems to reproduce pretty easily for me. Only took a couple restarts. https://share.cleanshot.com/PK2djHVv On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 9:18 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I've seen that, but since we don't have a reasonable explanation for > the crashes, I don't think your reproduction is evidence that Paul's > fears, whatever they are, are necessarily incorrect. The mere fact > that you can trigger the crash in a different scenario doesn't yet > mean the original scenario has nothing to do with the problem. This > kind of conclusions can only be drawn once the reason is fully > understood, and we are not there yet. Understood, thank you. I should not jump so quickly to conclusions.