After checking out a commit previous to Generate upcase and downcase tables from Unicode data (bug#24603) I was able to build it. 2017-02-16 14:22 GMT+01:00 Arthur Miller : > If they don't get focus when they pop-up, and not get focus via mouse and > if they also > don't have decorations, what is considered as full functionality of > "normal" frames? > That sounds to me a bit like a popup window. Do you give them focus by > switching > with keyboard, like moving focus to "other window"? > > "The concern is how to control > aspects like appearance, placement, focusing and stacking order of some > specific Emacs frames, without affecting the remaining frames." > > As you yourself point out, certain WMs does allow you to create rules per > windows. On some > managers one can set rule based on window title bar, window class or class > name, > xid, role etc. I don't know if title bar property can be used if titlebar > exist but is hidden. > > Maybe a separate class name could be used for that kind of windows so one > can set > appropriate hints for that frame. Or maybe you are already doing that? > Just an idea, > I haven't looked at your patch to be honest. > > I cloned code today from git and compilations is crashing on me, when > dumping lisp code: > (without your patch applied): > > Loading /home/arthur/emacs/lisp/international/characters.el (source)... > Wrong type argument: char-table-p, nil > make[1]: *** [Makefile:752: bootstrap-emacs] Error 255 > make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/arthur/emacs/src' > make: *** [Makefile:409: src] Error 2 > > Will be interesting to test it once I manage to compile Emacs. > > > 2017-02-16 9:04 GMT+01:00 martin rudalics : > >> > That's great. Are you going to push your patch to git-repo? >> >> After having resolved some remaining issues, yes. >> >> > When it comes to other platforms than Windows, I have no idea about OS X >> > since I don't own any macs, but for X11, we have different means to >> > controll decorations and their looks & behaviour. On X11 we have window >> > managers that makes it easy to configure (or remove) borders, >> decorations >> > etc, so in my humble opinion I don't think you have to spend countless >> time >> > to make it work with every possible window manager etc. >> >> The concern here is not how to turn off decorations for all windows (or >> maybe all windows of a certain application), something which themes most >> likely already provide to some extent. The concern is how to control >> aspects like appearance, placement, focusing and stacking order of some >> specific Emacs frames, without affecting the remaining frames. >> >> Consider the need to display some explanatory information for the >> editing activity you are about to accomplish. If you don't want to pop >> up a new "normal" window or frame for that purpose, you currently have >> two possibilites: Use the echo area or the tooltip frame. Both are >> ephemeral and have to be shared with all other applications pursuing a >> similar goal. >> >> Hence the need for some sort of minor frames which are OT1H less >> ephemeral and can be more easily replicated than tooltips or the echo >> area and are OTOH visually and habitually less obtrusive than normal >> frames or windows. >> >> Some desirable properties of such minor frames are: >> >> (1) Do not show any window manager decorations provided their visibility >> and placement can be controlled by the application. >> >> (2) Do not show them on the taskbar. >> >> (3) Do not focus them when they pop up. >> >> (4) Do not give them focus via mouse movements, mouse wheel scrolling or >> accidental mouse clicks. >> >> (5) Allow to attach them to some normal Emacs frame or window. This >> means to automatically move, resize and stack them along with that >> frame/window without affecting the appearance of any other object on >> your display. It may also mean to make them obscure as few as >> possible text of the frame they have been attached to. >> >> (6) Apart from (1)--(5) give them the full functionality of "normal" >> Emacs frames. >> >> Obviously, (6) is the most difficult part. For example, displaying such >> a frame without making it continuously vanish and reappear. >> >> martin >> > >