From: "Simen Endsjø" <simendsjo@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 70914@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#70914: 29.3; Crashes often on Windows
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 12:25:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHkVV6Hz-8Wxqtb1SbWzf6pCHTL_OUDMaorAQt5PCL+0L3x4_g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86zfssv5mq.fsf@gnu.org>
> I suggest to remove them, and see if the crashes keep happening.
No crashes yet at least, so let's hope.
> If removing these hacks make something stop working, describe the
> problems with the details: there are definitely ways to solve them
> without these dangerous customizations.
Nothing has stopped working per se, but I encounter encoding problems
which is probably why I added this in the first place.
I tested using `emacs -Q`, so the default settings.
When running in a regular terminal , I get the output:
┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┬───────────────────────────────┬─────────────────┬───────────┬─────────────────┬───────────┐
│ Package │
Installed │ Released │ Latest │ Released
│ Age (y) │
Tested with Git Bash, msys2, Powershell 5, Powershell 7 in Windows
Terminal, Powershell 7, Command Prompt.
But in eshell, I get:
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ Package ³ Installed ³ Released ³ Latest ³ Released
³ Age (y) ³
And in shell:
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Package Installed Released Latest
Released Age (y)
Guess I'll have to dig into encoding in emacs and integration with Windows.
┌ and Ú:
position: 1 of 155 (0%), column: 0
character: ┌ (displayed as ┌) (codepoint 9484, #o22414, #x250c)
charset: unicode-bmp (Unicode Basic Multilingual Plane
(U+0000..U+FFFF))
code point in charset: 0x250C
script: symbol
syntax: _ which means: symbol
category: .:Base, P:Haskell symbol constituent
characters, c:Chinese, h:Korean, j:Japanese
to input: type "C-x 8 RET 250c" or "C-x 8 RET BOX
DRAWINGS LIGHT DOWN AND RIGHT"
buffer code: #xE2 #x94 #x8C
file code: #xE2 #x94 #x8C (encoded by coding system utf-8-dos)
display: by this font (glyph code):
harfbuzz:-outline-Iosevka Slab
Regular-regular-normal-normal-mono-24-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 (#x605F)
Character code properties: customize what to show
name: BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT DOWN AND RIGHT
old-name: FORMS LIGHT DOWN AND RIGHT
general-category: So (Symbol, Other)
decomposition: (9484) ('┌')
position: 155 of 1140 (14%), column: 0
character: Ú (displayed as Ú) (codepoint 218, #o332, #xda)
charset: unicode-bmp (Unicode Basic Multilingual Plane
(U+0000..U+FFFF))
code point in charset: 0xDA
script: latin
syntax: w which means: word
category: .:Base, L:Strong L2R, j:Japanese, l:Latin, v:Viet
to input: type "C-x 8 RET da" or "C-x 8 RET LATIN
CAPITAL LETTER U WITH ACUTE"
buffer code: #xC3 #x9A
file code: #xC3 #x9A (encoded by coding system utf-8-dos)
display: by this font (glyph code):
harfbuzz:-outline-Iosevka Slab
Regular-regular-normal-normal-mono-24-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 (#x9B)
Character code properties: customize what to show
name: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH ACUTE
old-name: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U ACUTE
general-category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase)
decomposition: (85 769) ('U' '́')
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 4:18 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Simen Endsjø <simendsjo@gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 15:58:48 +0200
> > Cc: 70914@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > I'm not really sure why I've added these anymore. I've added them over time
> > since 2016 first using Spacemacs, then Doom Emacs.
> >
> > >> ;; Windows doesn't set this, but some packages might depend on the variable
> > >> (setenv "LANG" "en_US")
> > >
> > > The comment is not correct. To see for yourself, ensure LANG is not
> > > set in the system-wide environment, start "emacs -Q", and then type
> > >
> > > M-: (getenv "LANG") RET
> >
> > That's interesting. I usually just { M-x getenv }, and LANG isn't listed there.
> > (getenv "LANG") returns "ENU" though. Looking at the environment variables for
> > the process, I see LANG listed there. How is getenv *not* listing the variable?
> > Has it marked it special somehow and filter it out?
>
> It's a Windows-specific trick: we ad a few environment variables at
> startup such that getenv can access them, but don't want it to appear
> in process-environment explicitly, and so the function that prompts
> for the variable when you invoke getenv interactively doesn't know
> about them.
>
> > > This is a very bad idea, IME. The clipboard on Windows uses UTF-16,
> > > and Emacs knows how to decode it correctly. Customizing
> > > clipboard-coding-system to something else just gets in the way.
> >
> > Probably something I did after changing Windows to use utf-8, which also
> > includes the clipboard.
> >
> > > I don't know where does the comment about latin-1 by default come from
> > > (maybe from Windows 9X days?), but it is not true on Windows for a
> > > very long time. The default value of selection-coding-system on
> > > Windows is utf-16le-dos, you can again verify that in "emacs -Q".
> >
> > Maybe I broke something else when trying to get text to work properly and added
> > that hack as a workaround..? I really have no idea. Don't want to dig through my
> > git commits to find out ;)
> >
> > > Again, I'm not sure this is relevant to the crashes. But it doesn't
> > > do any harm to make your Emacs configuration healthier ;-)
> >
> > Yes, thanks a lot for the help! I'm a bit scared to remove these hacks I've
> > accumulated over time as I probably added them there for a reason though. But
> > hopefully the workarounds was just for some symptoms and not the root cause --
> > we'll see.
>
> I suggest to remove them, and see if the crashes keep happening.
>
> If removing these hacks make something stop working, describe the
> problems with the details: there are definitely ways to solve them
> without these dangerous customizations.
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2024-05-13 8:47 bug#70914: 29.3; Crashes often on Windows Simen Endsjø
2024-05-13 10:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
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