* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes
@ 2011-09-06 1:07 Eric Hanchrow
2011-09-07 0:37 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eric Hanchrow @ 2011-09-06 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9447
I typed M-x woman RET Moose::Manual::Classes RET.
I saw (among other text) this:
package Person;
use Moose;
has ssn => ( is => rw );
That looks perfectly plausible. But I eventually realized that there
are supposed to be single-quotes around the "ssn" and the "rw". M-x man
gets it right (although for some reason it has some blank lines):
package Person;
use Moose;
has 'ssn' => ( is => 'rw' );
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of 2011-08-22 on erich-laptop
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes 2011-09-06 1:07 bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes Eric Hanchrow @ 2011-09-07 0:37 ` Glenn Morris 2011-09-09 6:48 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2011-09-07 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9447; +Cc: Eric Hanchrow [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 372 bytes --] The man page has a fairly complicated header, and isn't using plain quotes (source attached). WoMan complains: ** Undefined register F defaulted to 0. ** if v -- unrecognized condition name rejected! ** if v -- unrecognized condition name rejected! ** Undefined string Aq not interpolated! ** Unknown font CW. ** rm #[ #] #H #V #F C request ignored! 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Always turn off hyphenation; it makes .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents. .if n .ad l .nh .SH "NAME" Moose::Manual::Classes \- Making your classes use Moose (and subclassing) .SH "USING MOOSE" .IX Header "USING MOOSE" Using Moose is very simple, you just \f(CW\*(C`use Moose\*(C'\fR: .PP .Vb 1 \& package Person; \& \& use Moose; .Ve .PP That's it, you've made a class with Moose! .PP There's actually a lot going on here under the hood, so let's step through it. .PP When you load Moose, a bunch of sugar functions are exported into your class. These include things like \f(CW\*(C`extends\*(C'\fR, \f(CW\*(C`has\*(C'\fR, \f(CW\*(C`with\*(C'\fR, and more. These functions are what you use to define your class. For example, you might define an attribute ... .PP .Vb 1 \& package Person; \& \& use Moose; \& \& has \*(Aqssn\*(Aq => ( is => \*(Aqrw\*(Aq ); .Ve .PP Attributes are described in the Moose::Manual::Attributes documentation. .PP Loading Moose also turns enables \f(CW\*(C`strict\*(C'\fR and \f(CW\*(C`warnings\*(C'\fR pragmas in your class. .PP When you load Moose, your class will become a subclass of Moose::Object. The Moose::Object class provides a default constructor, destructor, as well as object construction helper methods. You can read more about this in the Moose::Manual::Construction document. .PP As a convenience, Moose creates a new class type for your class. See the Moose::Manual::Types document to learn more about types. .PP It also creates a Moose::Meta::Class object for your class. This metaclass object is now available by calling a \f(CW\*(C`meta\*(C'\fR method on your class, for example \f(CW\*(C`Person\->meta\*(C'\fR. .PP The metaclass object provides an introspection \s-1API\s0 for your class. It is also used by Moose itself under the hood to add attributes, define parent classes, and so on. In fact, all of Moose's sugar does the real work by calling methods on this metaclass object (and other meta \s-1API\s0 objects). .SH "SUBCLASSING" .IX Header "SUBCLASSING" Moose provides a simple sugar function for declaring your parent classes, \f(CW\*(C`extends\*(C'\fR: .PP .Vb 1 \& package User; \& \& use Moose; \& \& extends \*(AqPerson\*(Aq; \& \& has \*(Aqusername\*(Aq => ( is => \*(Aqrw\*(Aq ); .Ve .PP Note that each call to \f(CW\*(C`extends\*(C'\fR will \fIreset\fR your parents. For multiple inheritance you must provide all the parents at once, \&\f(CW\*(C`extends \*(AqFoo\*(Aq, \*(AqBar\*(Aq\*(C'\fR. .PP You can use Moose to extend a non-Moose parent. However, when you do this, you will inherit the parent class's constructor (assuming it is also called \f(CW\*(C`new\*(C'\fR). In that case, you will have to take care of initializing attributes manually, either in the parent's constructor, or in your subclass, and you will lose a lot of Moose magic. .SH "NO MOOSE" .IX Header "NO MOOSE" Moose also allows you to remove its sugar functions from your class's namespace. We recommend that you take advantage of this feature, since it just makes your classes \*(L"cleaner\*(R". You can do this by simply adding \&\f(CW\*(C`no Moose\*(C'\fR at the end of your module file. .PP This deletes Moose's sugar functions from your class's namespace, so that \f(CW\*(C`Person\->can(\*(Aqhas\*(Aq)\*(C'\fR will no longer return true. .SH "MAKING IT FASTER" .IX Header "MAKING IT FASTER" Moose has a feature called \*(L"immutabilization\*(R" that you can use to greatly speed up your classes at runtime. However, using it does incur a cost when your class is first being loaded. When you make your class immutable you tell Moose that you will not be changing it in the future. You will not adding any more attributes, methods, roles, etc. .PP This allows Moose to generate code specific to your class. In particular, it creates an \*(L"inline\*(R" constructor, making object construction much faster. .PP To make your class immutable you simply call \f(CW\*(C`make_immutable\*(C'\fR on your class's metaclass object. .PP .Vb 1 \& _\|_PACKAGE_\|_\->meta\->make_immutable; .Ve .SH "AUTHOR" .IX Header "AUTHOR" Dave Rolsky <autarch@urth.org> .SH "COPYRIGHT AND LICENSE" .IX Header "COPYRIGHT AND LICENSE" Copyright 2008\-2009 by Infinity Interactive, Inc. .PP <http://www.iinteractive.com> .PP This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes 2011-09-07 0:37 ` Glenn Morris @ 2011-09-09 6:48 ` Glenn Morris 2011-09-09 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2011-09-09 6:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9447; +Cc: Eric Hanchrow close 9447 24.1 stop I think I fixed this. AFAICS, woman-if-body, which was unchanged since woman.el was introduced, contained code that made no sense. A minimal example of a file showing the problem is anything with more than one .ie block, eg: .ie n .ds Ab x .el .ds Ab y .ie \n(.g .ds Aq \(aq .el .ds Aq ' .TH Moose .nh .SH "NAME" for example .PP \& has \*(Aqssn\*(Aq I sort of wonder what the point of woman.el is. It has a punny name, but is basically a partial, buggy, reimplementation of a very standard external program that is surely installed on any system where man pages are used. Eg I note that it doesn't render man.1 correctly on my current system, with the current trunk doing a worse job than Emacs 23.3 does. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes 2011-09-09 6:48 ` Glenn Morris @ 2011-09-09 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-09-09 7:34 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-09 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 9447, eric.hanchrow > From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 02:48:47 -0400 > Cc: Eric Hanchrow <eric.hanchrow@gmail.com> > > I sort of wonder what the point of woman.el is. It has a punny name, but > is basically a partial, buggy, reimplementation of a very standard > external program that is surely installed on any system where man pages > are used. You obviously forget the use case of Emacs on MS-Windows. Man pages come with many ported packages (including Emacs ;-), but I know of only 2 decent version of the `man' program available for Windows: one requires Cygwin to be installed, the other was written by yours truly, and is not available as a Windows binary in any public site that I know of (although the sources are available under GPL and can be easily compiled on Windows). Thus woman.el. > Eg I note that it doesn't render man.1 correctly on my current > system, with the current trunk doing a worse job than Emacs 23.3 does. Patches are very welcome. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes 2011-09-09 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-09 7:34 ` Glenn Morris 2011-09-09 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2011-09-09 7:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 9447, eric.hanchrow Eli Zaretskii wrote: > You obviously forget the use case of Emacs on MS-Windows. If only I could... > Patches are very welcome. The patch is to revert r103011, as commented in bug#7843. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes 2011-09-09 7:34 ` Glenn Morris @ 2011-09-09 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-09-09 12:25 ` Andy Moreton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-09 7:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 9447, eric.hanchrow > From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> > Cc: 9447@debbugs.gnu.org, eric.hanchrow@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 03:34:00 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > You obviously forget the use case of Emacs on MS-Windows. > > If only I could... And btw, man.el doesn't work on Windows anyway, even if you have an external `man' program, due to its quoting that assumes a Posix shell. I tried to fix that once, but gave up after a few hours, telling myself "they always have woman.el...". ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes 2011-09-09 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-09 12:25 ` Andy Moreton 2011-09-09 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Andy Moreton @ 2011-09-09 12:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9447 On Fri 09 Sep 2011, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> >> Cc: 9447@debbugs.gnu.org, eric.hanchrow@gmail.com >> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 03:34:00 -0400 >> >> Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> > You obviously forget the use case of Emacs on MS-Windows. >> >> If only I could... > > And btw, man.el doesn't work on Windows anyway, even if you have an > external `man' program, due to its quoting that assumes a Posix shell. > I tried to fix that once, but gave up after a few hours, telling > myself "they always have woman.el...". Works perfectly well with Cygwin though :-) AndyM ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#9447: 24.0.50; woman loses single quotes 2011-09-09 12:25 ` Andy Moreton @ 2011-09-09 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-09 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Moreton; +Cc: 9447 > From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:25:53 +0100 > > > And btw, man.el doesn't work on Windows anyway, even if you have an > > external `man' program, due to its quoting that assumes a Posix shell. > > I tried to fix that once, but gave up after a few hours, telling > > myself "they always have woman.el...". > > Works perfectly well with Cygwin though :-) Which part of "assumes a Posix shell" did I fail to make clear? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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