From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ali abdul ghani6 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 06:37:02 -0800 Message-ID: References: <877fcpf2xi.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <8760qfovjg.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87r391op22.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <874kjal6dj.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23963"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Glenn Morris , 21113@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 21 15:38:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l2b69-00067v-HI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Emacs itself doesn't support Orca at all. > > I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much? Are > there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus > on? Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak? > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > --=20 Emacs is the ground. We run around and act silly on top of it, and when we die, may our remnants grace its ongoing incrementation.