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charset=UTF-8 >> A typical non-trivial Emacs session takes several seconds, sometimes >> 25 or more, to start > > ?! That may be typical for *you*. It is not typical for me. On the six-year-old desktop at work that I'm using to type this message (hard disks, no flash) in normal mode, Emacs by default takes 1.2 seconds to start up. Even 1.2 seconds is too long, as I start up Emacs a lot. I second that, most people load emacs in less than 7 seconds, and below 2 when they use use-package or equivalent. That is for emacs with 50+ packages. > And as long as we use them as compilers and linkers, we will be fine. We got into the current mess because we went under the covers of the underlying systems. That was reasonable in the 1980s when things were simpler, but it is not reasonable now. I agree with the spirit: we should try to simplify & modernify emacs. Adding something very custom sounds like another maintenance hell. Philippe --001a114316d40db805053c189ae8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>> A typical non-trivial Emacs session takes several s= econds, sometimes
>> 25 or more, to start
>
> ?!=C2=A0 That may be typical for *you*. It is not typical for me. On t= he six-year-old desktop at work that I'm using to type this message (ha= rd disks, no flash) in normal mode, Emacs by default takes 1.2 seconds to s= tart up. Even 1.2 seconds is too long, as I start up Emacs a lot.

I second that, most people load emacs in less than 7 seconds= , and below 2 when they use use-package or equivalent. That is for emacs wi= th 50+ packages.

> And as long as we use them as compilers and linkers, we= will be fine. We got into the current mess because we went under the cover= s of the underlying systems. That was reasonable in the 1980s when things w= ere simpler, but it is not reasonable now.

I agree with the spirit: we should try to simplify & mod= ernify emacs. Adding something very custom sounds like another maintenance = hell.

Philippe

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