From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marco Antoniotti Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#47775: First line length and GNU coding standards.... 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The issue is *not *the lexical-binding t or nil. The issue is "buffer variables" vs "convention of 'name --- description'. TRT is to "fix" checkdoc to look for the 'name --- description' within the first (10) lines, AND/OR to revert to the old convention of having the '-*- ... -*-' line(s) within the first 10. Once that is done, the documentation can be amended accordingly, *relaxing = *the mandate that the first line MUST start with ;;; foo --- bar. and no extra update in any files will be needed. All the best MA On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 3:18 PM Stefan Kangas wrote: > Filipp Gunbin writes: > > >> Within N years, we will hopefully flip the switch and enable > >> lexical-binding by default, thereby (mostly) eliminating the problem. > > > > Will that be really possible? What about code in the wild? > > It's not an immediate proposal obviously, but yes after a long-ish > deprecation period of `lexical-binding:nil' many of us hope that we will > be able to flip the switch. > --=20 Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Universit=C3=A0 Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://dcb.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 http://cdac2021.lakecomoschool.org I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY --000000000000b4c60205c053e774 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

let me reiterate.=C2=A0 T= he issue is not the lexical-bi= nding t or nil.

The issue is "buffer variables" vs "conven= tion of 'name --- description'.

TRT is to "fix" checkdoc to look for the=20 'name --- description'= within the first (10) lines, AND/OR to revert to the old convention of hav= ing the '-*- ... -*-' line(s) within the first 10.

Once that is done, the documentation can be amended accordingly, relax= ing the mandate that the first line MUST start with ;;; foo --- bar. and no extra update in any files= will be needed.

All the best

=
MA

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 3:18 PM Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> wrote:
Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm> writes:

>> Within N years, we will hopefully flip the switch and enable
>> lexical-binding by default, thereby (mostly) eliminating the probl= em.
>
> Will that be really possible?=C2=A0 What about code in the wild?

It's not an immediate proposal obviously, but yes after a long-ish
deprecation period of `lexical-binding:nil' many of us hope that we wil= l
be able to flip the switch.


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