From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Robert Pearson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000006fe6c05a3dc8ce4" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="20165"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 40762@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 11:53:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRC47-00058R-2g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:53:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47010 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRC46-0007l5-74 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 05:52:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178782 Archived-At: --00000000000006fe6c05a3dc8ce4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are the use Emacs with the Slime package. So installed the latest Gnu Emac. My OS is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later versions have broken so much working code that I had to go back to 18.04). No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go through the tutorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless. Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actually works on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor? I have checked out two commercial products; but not only are they way over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions. (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by going to the 21st century for the UI.) Robert Pearson --00000000000006fe6c05a3dc8ce4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are the use Em= acs with the Slime package.
So installed the latest=C2=A0Gnu Emac. My O= S is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later versions have broken so much working code tha= t I had to go back to 18.04).=C2=A0

No trouble dow= nloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go through the t= utorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard f= or emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless.

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Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actually works = on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor?

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I have checked=C2=A0out two commercial products; but not only are they= way over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions.

(I= believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by going t= o the 21st century for the UI.)

Robert Pearson
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