From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39757"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Gregory Heytings , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 15:33:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXl4P-000ABm-FW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:33:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48802 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXl4O-0007XM-8A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:33:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXl4I-0007X3-0l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59183) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXl4H-0004IZ-Q6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:33:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXl4H-0008N1-M2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:33:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161866634232128 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:33:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 13:32:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42496 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXl3d-0008M7-Q5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:32:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:40583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXl3c-0008Lv-Ja for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id b17so21070441pgh.7 for <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 06:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+iq9aq3hDBhHWPqiBU9FH/LCHmUxh8DQPyftgQ83Gow=; b=WE6B/3uhtBFK0dz0RSFUJKGTu8BUqMC0wkE9NhaApyZWieM90BsN22c2vRa3lIDjNy nXXi67VmKjXqSBFGF0RkShBDSS7INpZHDDJNUaw06RMJgvvDT+JwLFMZF8rSGIbtURTM H4TmhGf6XIUfBEdaJRkwCwzBbfKAF3wLO5EXPiSgTsSyqHaAe92V+SjoIPkzsWD1kvdI Nrq7cDgXVrl0/HjRI29/xYFzumkFc8lb34tZ47Cksctw8g0M5s1g1Iv6wsJJQSRa5stz MdLCgitHbig1Sm6ZAWD3VxG7nUdW3aiEOoateRL8e7iWKlEWE3MFjRoGfhC+yfXOFst2 /bBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532RVenXzSkPB2aiFcKI169nboKYGCX0Wx694ho0YrzaxyOSoj10 0d5iUvLl/QV/+j9Lc4ftsVwsxIflGkC99MQFZhM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzvQlGFgnKom/+jnyEvDx+D9r1clAd4+K9QucwZct4q23BOmdc8CQ6o83GqcAy8Qa6CmqBz4TUJbd6tBujVedY= X-Received: by 2002:a63:d358:: with SMTP id u24mr115454pgi.345.1618666334962; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 06:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:32:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204202 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > It's a Debian/bullseye laptop with Gnome Shell -- so I guess it's a > Gnome Shell setting? (The first thing I do with any machine is switch > off any "alert" beeps.) Oh, I don't use any of that stuff. I have my own custom .xinitrc instead with as little stuff as possible in it. So I'm not sure how I could even set such a setting. I suppose it's some gconf stuff taking place behind the scenes...? Searching online shows this might be it: sudo su gdm -c "gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds --type bool false" But I don't have gconftool-2 so my Debian bullseye machine is probably missing some prerequisites. > I think this might point toward not doing anything about the default -- > people who don't like beeps will switch them off on the OS level. That > is, flipping the default will make `C-g' more intrusive for people > who've already made a decision to ignore beeps. It is my understanding that Emacs is unusual in using the system bell though. It would be better to avoid it completely, even when that setting is on. Would it perhaps make sense to make visual-bell support that setting instead?