From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41403: A more user-friendly version of GNU Emacs Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:28:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87lflny20s.fsf@web.de> <87zgsbtaqr.fsf@gnus.org> <8735q2t3d9.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee9hy9ce.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7edwm3r.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16520"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Michael Heerdegen , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Andrew Goh , 41403@debbugs.gnu.org To: Alan Third Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 23 00:29:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mTAjq-00044E-9Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wXqrzr23u3J/MTzhQoQ3bi6QBIBoXAkktPKfuBDc4nM=; b=w1DHS5QuGO+02Qn7qT3+eHIOqVipDVJWxoBaQX7sB2RrsLy+G7SWnljRitprCqODkw erxLxC3F6zVZ41XCy038ePnsK9/As/HUVaPFWkG43zLOcSOpUoLzCkCPupM3EmMJlmha jGwBEZVF3oO/uYIcEJXeKhaEhjkcyYGn6wUcJxiXhYXYYeVrS1w9hrCchsCRldJClnr9 IacNw5pUgUziG+M+sZYqK34ArtaC1h9QslMDpjtHOKFfZZweimGixSVtcLIErPwn3Alz dd73yyDmuGSlDrCy+y1l8pdTzVHRF2pSwHHQq6of6m6AEw3JCvbXPzPptgz/DxFW1peO Q6Lw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531SEAMf31GjGD7D+ObFZlV9DFhoQ7AEIEaBdG/00llhtxdy+NVR N2HdW0cMUe0WAoWWSw4Rn3KPOzhZ6hqqvpdQuHY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyrOWJUVVx37YJ8qEsO68pnGgmJErPDPcp4g7Ycg3q+njGRW+/1jWAUoviNnGKs/YxwtUqjFnrDXBSc/WW99hk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:460a:: with SMTP id w10mr13840986pjg.132.1632349704904; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:28:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215150 Archived-At: Alan Third writes: > And I think saying it's "much more ergonomic" is overstating the case > a little. The keys are right next to each other. Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm more sensitive to such issues than the average user. On the other hand, I also wouldn't be surprised if a not insignificant fraction of our users find themselves in the same situation as me.