From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:45:53 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <873577570z.fsf@localhost> <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h6vkbgot.fsf@localhost> <87mt5aj626.fsf@localhost> <87cz65hkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13643"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ihor Radchenko , rms@gnu.org, 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 19 14:46:42 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pTk1a-0003Pf-Pc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:45:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87cz65hkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Hashcash: 1:20:230219:61325@debbugs.gnu.org::0y0EZgVrg6NwtA1i:C0zq X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:256069 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > The problem with this approach is that alt.sex is a real hierarchy. > ``alt.meme'' is not, so it reduces the accuracy of the joke. alt.sex.emacs is not a real group either, so there is no "accuracy" to reduce. Both groups are made up. > Trying to censor this part of the Gnus manual is like trying to censor > the Usenet: it won't work. Installing the proposed patch has absolutely nothing to do with censorship, of course. I don't see how anyone could think that it does. I suggest removing a couple of words because the jokes are not that funny, somewhat childish, and arguably distracting to some readers. Furthermore, of course it will "work". I install patches in emacs.git every day, as do you. But of course we can't change Usenet. Comparing Usenet to our git repository is a category error. > One of the few standpoints unrelated to free software taken by the GNU > project is the opposition to censorship. No matter if the demands for > censorship come from individuals, or if they come from the > Communications Decency Act, they must be resolutely opposed. There is no disagreement about this.