From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 07:22:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> <871rb9qbd3.fsf@gnus.org> <87fsznq3ia.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14799"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Gregory Heytings , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 18 14:23:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lY6Sp-0003k9-15 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:23:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37920 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lY6Sn-0000fF-P5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:23:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39426) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lY6S6-0000f0-KZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:23:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lY6S6-0008Fw-D6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:23:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lY6S6-00076p-9Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:23:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161874853127240 (code B ref 1305); Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:23:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2021 12:22:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45646 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lY6RH-00075I-7b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:22:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f181.google.com ([209.85.215.181]:45753) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lY6RF-000755-KZ for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:22:09 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f181.google.com with SMTP id d10so22318318pgf.12 for <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 05:22:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jZCnCaPsSJdtuFxp4wWYn8Md1Lzn0tEqal7iKx00q64=; b=aXyZSky9pcSKweG3aYkhGCR+196XH+uGwHqk9lb7mAPy9LVolQ8ZOhnAhiEmabFDEz 660boAmjzNgOKZ465BDZLpl+vIipT37n5r5Ujttv5Q0k2vEm9sm2jAPGeZwaDmdMubGY BKdCjSAGGWcixwRMlPDbW39n1pu859+xItRpSudaxuH+f4AcOFHDCbFvrpZuFktpCsL0 3QMfVqRODIebl6XAaFqBbZduyjn6nCuhgkOX0KKODCZqHXpemW7XIPyczRz2fdeFlnF9 NTvy3+q84rUzf9cqF9qhF0CsPI4sWs46S9gzdcfDTEAu5Lrb0/pKBZicVQ9tKu6Tn9ih PdKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530hkTQOphAJtxAxexFMnk7FMJomQb8718oIrSzd/vbE8QGeQvQK 9A/SNRDUsfoXgyVFKHyhyN3PJbHvK1c5zzYDuI4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyyC5jWyu+ewYVYpJsCefp3uBmjF4NR2k9Qk61v0PH6Kezh/wtrSq4D4ltyo5IJukxapFC34YByNIAnBJXncFc= X-Received: by 2002:a62:5bc1:0:b029:20d:69a5:189 with SMTP id p184-20020a625bc10000b029020d69a50189mr15655764pfb.57.1618748523870; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 05:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 07:22:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87fsznq3ia.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204326 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > The visual-bell on Macos is pretty, but really intrusive. If we want to > make the visual bell the default, we should perhaps change that first. True, it is *really* intrusive. And it hides a large part of your buffer text too, which is highly annoying to me. So I guess we should do something about it first, yes. So how can we make it less intrusive? Would it be enough to make it smaller, or move its position or something? For example, if it was a bit smaller and in the top right? I would probably also decrease its duration to around three thirds or even half of what it is now. Or do we need a complete rethinking of this? Perhaps there is some other software that we can steal some good ideas from? (And if we can come up with something very good, perhaps we will want to do the same on GNU/Linux.)