From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:08:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> <871rb9qbd3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35173"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Gregory Heytings , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 16:09:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXldO-00093u-0e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:09:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39512 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXldN-0001HD-2y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35156) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXld8-0000zW-E1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXld8-0000kx-5z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXld8-0001Bv-1N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:09:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.16186684984529 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 14:08:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44091 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlcP-0001Az-UB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:08:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f176.google.com ([209.85.210.176]:34452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXlcO-0001An-HV for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 10so11327542pfl.1 for <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OScm95Vcr4et6PV+i0eDgmxjfInIT4tDxF4kO0KynnI=; b=C36F66awx6AyCEXNQ//5DZ9NGNGxS1wNBZ30hNOH4zsfUYpPkdTj5oaDheljilD6o8 2byzNbBcBD93Lj3/RGwxfS8uyz1q1Wh2OaBr5k3unR4V1ifAM4wzRj/zftzWawxc9g4X F1LirJQbYyigt4yaZPaOGrE53LUERdU1DOQzdzFp6hOkO/nZWx1I/S01ZJA+0HhRERQE fvv+ryi/LgZiGzxNj4KcYkuvSBD3TkBGphIYyovK7+T0/t8HarXOBMHZLkSH2Sz85ke9 J20riocGWbEZQI6YoCQAdpjLKZ7iSmPykjmDzWEbTrUO8v6vC4GUcqTynC7jvhGqLgYU 30nA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306Z6nLwJxUunqs57R1wAPJS5oZMRHjbpOSLuT0OogTAjHGjRMg W7vM/TY1WZOJHYQUv5z/xCyXhLjEtz/j66KT25M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyyRKuuNX2C3HESLDbk5vFpIOfWhMH8+M5iyOi3jEVvG0fUHQ5oPdCaIXKKfSF+8/gNkv3DOX6laKKYZ747TmY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:2353:b029:25c:7dc5:a718 with SMTP id j19-20020a056a002353b029025c7dc5a718mr2269078pfj.58.1618668490864; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 07:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:08:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871rb9qbd3.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204210 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I poked around, and it's "Settings -> Sound -> System Sounds" in Gnome > Shell that I had switched to a volume of zero. Does that have an option to use a visual bell instead? >> It is my understanding that Emacs is unusual in using the system bell >> though. It would be better to avoid it completely, even when that >> setting is on. > > I turned the volume up, and saying "lTAB" in the shell (in a Console > window) then beeped audibly. So the default here is to make sounds. > And I just checked the same on my Apple laptop -- the shell there also > beeps a lot. What is less clear to me is why Emacs should mimic the behavior of terminal emulators of 1980s era terminals that mimicked 1970s era terminals. :-)