From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15809: [External] : Re: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:56:42 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87txca8ede.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87zh46wzj7.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12362"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "15809@debbugs.gnu.org" <15809@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Drew Adams , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 25 17:57:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA33-0002xy-Ph for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:57:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46124 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA31-0003rf-Mh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA2w-0003rT-OU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:51122) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA2w-000083-Ge for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA2w-0000SL-GI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15809 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed Original-Received: via spool by 15809-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15809.16325854111730 (code B ref 15809); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15809) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 15:56:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA2k-0000Rq-Rt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:34727) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUA2j-0000Re-BL for 15809@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:56:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id f129so13056709pgc.1 for <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S6lZ3icuILb9Oz2/Tu/JVsT2cQx4kmGkF5jlPE14aAo=; b=zqu76p2idiXHKoQviYITjUhlZaVRFzuoXkb6404uGgq2lPl2C/4thZdQzlNtOx6JRc onxrjm300pEzpxUyG/Scg8fbfBzPqO/eUwqsdP58Y6XeYYrD6Lglnh/hqEHBZ0yfZEDI aliHDnYXZdzxjFRguMvOda6Gpt4tLVobE0lwpkj2S97lrRDaszPCrB8nQZ84BUCnsZC+ +2un7k3DgdMgaft7wJz4Qj6JlJvpxUqEXJ5o5HGxCg7Ce06kbfKBgSTg+zeY6ALME8NW 4902PBpJR7BoiXRQWEYA+QUSHjC50GtSm5dnlSKXdobh6mGjV4m7k6kjX0POkzHx8sud vArA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530EWNe3Xz9rIxwbmhujcxgsdQmoHj8z6YpdOpHHvOoN7Vdl8xhM 14/T49W7557lmyORyUNaRSoz3lHSnNaIzDVzoO8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzgiX3MRF7V+W9JSAa10v+LHRaj8ipbKNo3s6a7GQy8ovfZONZIJsWqT7r1wehBo6cyf4/v2MGotp4KcJ9V9xI= X-Received: by 2002:a63:6941:: with SMTP id e62mr8784370pgc.114.1632585403253; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:56:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215463 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > I'm not asking that you fix this throughout Emacs. > I'm asking you to DTRT for this bug fix, i.e., for > this defcustom. I think in the context of this bug report, TRT is to do nothing, as we have the convention that "should" and "must" is the same all over Emacs. Unless we decide that "should" is generally to be avoided, there is nothing to do. > There's a real, big difference between "must" and > "should". And in general "should" is a weasel word > and "should" ;-) be avoided in technical doc. My suggestion is to report this as a separate bug. If we would decide to do anything, I think it would be most productive to do it in the form of an amendment to `(elisp) Documentation Tips'.