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Wed, 01 Jan 2025 17:19:52 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 1 Jan 2025 19:19:52 -0600 In-Reply-To: <86il3g9iew.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2024 18:19:19 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:298086 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:16:21 +0100 >> From: Krzysztof =C5=BBelechowski >> Cc: 68732@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> The point is, the function shell-command does not use this variable beca= use it only affects interactive >> use. So indeed, writing a command that invokes shell-command is an opti= on, but it does make a use >> case for the existence of this variable. >> >> My POV is splitting standard output and standard error (maybe on demand)= is a basic usability >> requirement and should not require writing custom commands. >> >> The problem is not with using setq by users, it is with getting non-deve= lopers to write and execute >> Lisp scripts to accomplish basic tasks, including scripts that just invo= ke setq. The latter obviously is >> not a problem when you are a scientist, but I imagine that the front end= would be much cleaner if >> operable cleanly without scripting (again, this concept limited to basic= tasks obviously). > > We cannot possibly make every variable a defcustom, just because > someone somewhere will need to set a variable while not being a > programmer, can we? > > So, while I understand your motivation, it still doesn't convince me > to make the variable a user option. Splitting stdout and stderr might > be a basic usability requirement in your eyes, but IME users rarely > send stderr to a separate place, which is why this variable is not a > defcustom. I agree, so I'm closing this bug report now.