From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 56508@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#56508: Suggestions for the "Help" menu
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 22:16:00 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkmmzZ9uTNew+xSA74tqLJ90gn3Cp3R_WtXUyp1UznOs_7g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83wncjxdcx.fsf@gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:04:51 -0500
>>
>> Suggestions for the "Help" menu:
>
> I object. We just reshuffled that menu recently, let's not touch it
> for another major release or two.
Sorry, I must have missed that we did that. In any case, I don't think
that is very good grounds for not making further improvements.
> Specific comments:
>
>> 1. Remove "Emacs FAQ". It is not nearly as up-to-date as the
>> manual, and most users these days will either find it by other
>> means or just search the web.
>
> So you are basically saying we don't need the FAQ?
I'm saying that we don't need it in the menu (at least not in its
current shape).
>> 2. Remove "Emacs Psychotherapist". Sorry, but in terms of chatbots
>> there are *way* better ones out there these days. If anything,
>> move it to "Games".
>
> I object to making Emacs dead serious, because it will make it dead.
Agreed, but there is plenty of space between "dead serious" and
"whimsical".
>> 3. Remove "Non(Warranty)" and "Getting New Versions" as it is
>> already available under "About Emacs".
>
> These are politically motivated and cannot be removed.
Too bad.
>> 4. Under "Describe" we have the item "Show all of Mule Status" which
>> is a rather hard-to-understand name. Does it need to be there?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Should it get a better name?
>
> Do you have any suggestions?
"Show Multilanguage Status" is already an improvement.
>> 5. "Describe Coding System Briefly" under "Describe" -- is this
>> useful? I just get this cryptic message here:
>>
>> F[U:],K[U:],T[U:],P>[=:],P<[=:], default F[U:],P>[U:],P<[U:]
>
> It's completely understandable here: File encoding, Keyboard encoding,
> Terminal encoding, Process encoding (input and output).
I don't doubt that you understand it, but I don't think many new users
will. I don't understand almost any of it myself. For example, what
does "=:" mean? And what does "default" mean?
This looks like a power-users tool, not like something that belongs in
the help menu, to me.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-12 3:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-07-12 2:04 bug#56508: Suggestions for the "Help" menu Stefan Kangas
2022-07-12 2:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-12 3:16 ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2022-07-12 8:26 ` miha--- via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-12 10:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-07-12 13:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-12 13:31 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-12 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-12 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-12 13:37 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-12 13:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-07-12 14:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-07-12 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-12 15:25 ` Drew Adams
2022-07-12 15:20 ` Drew Adams
2022-07-12 13:35 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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