From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3540: Please reserve a ctrl-key combination for interoperability Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:04:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1244771200l.4854l.2l@mofo> <87y2xye4nz.fsf@mbork.pl> <0d884621-5d6e-47c6-8a0e-d70d4c09f15e@default> <87tv8lek8p.fsf@mbork.pl> <014ff1d6-9e7e-4bdf-88ed-eefc9133353d@default> <8736g1epls.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="239282"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: "Karl O. Pinc" , 3540@debbugs.gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 13:05:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWG8-00101w-1g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:05:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36034 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWG6-00051W-SZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47000) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWFn-0004jA-Ey for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWFi-0000ZE-Je for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWFi-0000Z4-GY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWFi-0004wo-9C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 3540 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 3540-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3540.157070547218892 (code B ref 3540); Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3540) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2019 11:04:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWFE-0004uc-I0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:04:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f193.google.com ([209.85.210.193]:40072) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIWF9-0004tn-DJ for 3540@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:04:31 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f193.google.com with SMTP id x127so3665867pfb.7 for <3540@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 04:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WJ1thFbJAJ+PwN5x7cNg59EidHdmMevpr2LUYOd/TNM=; b=lJXGPqyGztyHDNCTsRxvv76L72t+xkomei/I6qfNXB6TgMk4FbYZ6aL7oLtFqBe62j +Zv6AuDaGM9KD5tvyj6dUHdoOhmWsPP52illbfoFpZ53mDZ/fIJbloZynUuLjrgzQ9Rb 933cEItLW5ioVfCtx+e/2OHO1VxggmamStWSrT9Potk6i4XlZ5O70tLxh0kq+j+yVwav 3ieu+vzVSBP0AfCHvFkWXCuJ85DIyTE86odcFVqGX3/CBkGcqXbeGTFfei2xHjTR8Brh bDuIDt+3aCAKMzI78fEI2DEN6QaFHLf/SS68HZ9S6JGqhN5GTY2x/uWipj+M3lD3lUwZ IxpA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXT3i7Z3yBpfDFNDP2RC0gSnw2cG2wFjSznLNPccT1PKl3Wbfb0 +UcAgZ/4q4e8WDDuFa+1XotULY0yA61SpcIHhFM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwrs/MpCgkru1qlWqK1asIDT7PZEylYpUikrcCeYonLF2D7NS5IsY07qlGbMjzLs46iBU1jnizvpIyeISyR56M= X-Received: by 2002:a62:8305:: with SMTP id h5mr9678850pfe.190.1570705461620; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 04:04:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8736g1epls.fsf@mbork.pl> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:168862 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski writes: > Psychologically, many people hesitate to rebind default keys for various > reasons. While it is unreasonable for the manual to suggest binding > particular keys to particular commands, I would find it very reasonable > to encourage users to customize Emacs, including rebinding keys - also > the defaults. To my mind, the manual already covers what you discuss above. The "Intro" section says: =E2=80=9CCustomizable=E2=80=9D means that you can easily alter the behav= ior of Emacs commands in simple ways. For instance, if you use a programming language in which comments start with =E2=80=98<**=E2=80=99 and end with = =E2=80=98**>=E2=80=99, you can tell the Emacs comment manipulation commands to use those strings (*note Comments::). To take another example, you can rebind the basic cursor motion commands (up, down, left and right) to any keys on the keyboard that you find comfortable. *Note Customization::. That said, we can of course always do better. I believe it would be easier to discuss a more concrete proposal. Would anyone be willing to propose a patch? Best regards, Stefan Kangas