From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46926: Remove the quotes from highlighted/linked symbols when displaying docs Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:06:04 -0600 Message-ID: References: <83y2f2zrz6.fsf@gnu.org> <87eeguu0q0.fsf@gnus.org> <83czw3jy72.fsf@gnu.org> <835z1vjvm4.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29151"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "larsi@gnus.org" , "46926@debbugs.gnu.org" <46926@debbugs.gnu.org>, "rms@gnu.org" To: scame , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 13 18:11:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lL7n9-0007Th-Tx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 18:11:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56022 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lL7n8-00046q-RP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:11:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lL7jC-0008Ap-4b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49049) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lL7jB-0007JZ-TY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:07:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lL7jB-0002Za-Nt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:07:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 17:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 46926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46926.16156551729834 (code B ref 46926); Sat, 13 Mar 2021 17:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2021 17:06:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lL7iO-0002YX-F5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180]:42392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lL7iM-0002YJ-Db for 46926@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:06:11 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f180.google.com with SMTP id e26so3951573pfd.9 for <46926@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wGf3YIKg2z2ZpcrpVrRodLV0CCUDOvhCIqQUXPiGWCA=; b=uHgUNfKUQsrosZE33byMqzTxz+pzai4fbbd1ZIkBHL2Iqv6x2Z0KhzGs6/3ApMHiUH g6s6JZPvj7BrAU6j4Yto0hUFc6eE/fqiz0TvPOp7c+pmoos677tXyi46NMYJE5bLsCvI t5Stqi0aaD4YHtH50LdXXjSPRrnEpe3W/4sNaC2d2O+HtlSdJzmkt7yG3O6T2au5jJeK /jmcSfNZYowyPqdzuX7O1Ozs+pbFw8BMcV/l0by2ACKYXjNWyihSEPB3pP2Adfz5S6J3 jgN6Bt2JBl9v4+DEaVN9oLJ0Gc9OznxDB32ihVETqFbnAnpOm2NDP5Ss94ImcRL+7gwe pr6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KjndmfzH4pmNG6gNcT7FAoNCRBQcIeZQoMpsd+/oGVH8IINA8 PzKHoJu3T4P+4BESAMRXppKHkna8QzAnE0VMIW0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzK8c+LBvkrzY17wWZaUMx49FHpawJszMyVuOpMF8aIWhxDmnmC3qA+PENBoDrxvHdNni9LLpWtPBbrR26Pq94= X-Received: by 2002:a63:6206:: with SMTP id w6mr16363200pgb.363.1615655164510; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:06:04 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:06:04 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:202278 Archived-At: scame writes: > Not at all. I mean it to be constructive the emacs project should invite > a visual designer of Gnome to improve the default look. I agree that help from a graphical/UIX designer would be very good. But I don't know how to procure such help. It seems like Emacs has had this need for the last 20 years or so, but someone has yet to step up. > The default look is pretty ugly, no offense. I don't think people are easily offended even by sharp criticism around here. But it is better to be more concrete, as it is hard to do something about the rather abstract statement that Emacs is "ugly". For example, the suggestion you made in this bug report is concrete and actionable. I invite you to make more such proposals that can help us move forward in this area. >> Does anyone else here think the compromise I proposed could have some >> merit? > > If changing the default is refused then I agree a config > option is a good compromise, because then people can see its effect > at everyday usage and they can judge its merits if they change the option. Agreed. I have explained previously why I think it would be better if the option was on by default, but baby steps are still steps.