From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23033: 24.5; Lock file uses the same extension as the file it's locking Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 10:12:11 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8jy49fnrpl.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pni3t129.fsf@marxist.se> <83eeyicxh7.fsf@gnu.org> <875zjutq51.fsf@marxist.se> <83imnta3y6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="108858"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 23033@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Sloan To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 09 10:13:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnu-000SBW-Ke for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:13:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35430 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnt-00066Z-32 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 04:13:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41973) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnm-00066L-SX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 04:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnl-0000vc-Sn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 04:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39341) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnl-0000vV-Ph for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 04:13:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnl-0006sg-Ix for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 04:13:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23033 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 23033-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23033.157329075126410 (code B ref 23033); Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:13:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23033) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2019 09:12:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnG-0006ru-Ty for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 04:12:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:32851) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTMnE-0006rf-IC for 23033@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 04:12:28 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id c184so6808674pfb.0 for <23033@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:12:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9PZiR3TgpyWZXBuENe+XK/OZek5rEiDeF42I7aOvywo=; b=I2hQH+MXK8CucprtZr6d9AqL3V6YFGUk/Tpx5DMSnxLPx7UXbLlVQf8anwgrIShKuM X30Z96opHTMyNOCIwvG7w4CAi1jw4s6Xi9NTe41mrwXHxOsTYTwcy207eCpahFPzFQQG eYshI3fJSNbliiUUlfsADrZDSvrJrdvbHiudr4eY7xToqDBng0j7tcvN4djBTCfoRS/d 9f4wkzo5pM6Hr1dbj14cNT6VGf19edd33ZDv/OG3bHbHRd6ORoDGQ9q3K6JLEE7FlMJP 6WtALJUNSZSqhWnP6aSKjGsUeojy69W2HTgxgNbZGZmKBW3l33PE3/VWKeS+W9/54alZ kukw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUv+ZbWEXMJQ2ZXe3mFM6bOi8CqgZXS0xDwR3DSUebNFt6Bj947 YwrkBPyy7WsXv8omIGY6IVePlJ/7iQ6GdQ34woE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyQ/pKbHAkqOTg7swgMFrwT94vDgxI/tgFl81dOReDO6gGVJTreLKCT4UMi059S5BmDz9C6ToThWxhnAaZcL6c= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9295:: with SMTP id j21mr407120pfa.50.1573290742663; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:12:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83imnta3y6.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:171310 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I propose keeping the traditional `.#` prefix but adding a `.lock` suffix. OK, if that works on Windows it's better than what I proposed. > I think we should only consider adding punctuation characters, because > that would ensure these lock files are displayed right next to the > files they lock, like today. Moving the lock files away of the files > they lock in the directory listing would be a disadvantage, IMO. On this MacOS machine, I see the following: $ ls -al total 8 drwxr-xr-x 11 skangas staff 352 Nov 9 10:05 . lrwxr-xr-x 1 skangas staff 33 Nov 9 10:05 .#foo -> skangas@example.org.795 drwxr-xr-x 50 skangas staff 1600 Nov 9 10:03 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 skangas staff 0 Nov 9 10:03 a -rw-r--r-- 1 skangas staff 0 Nov 9 10:03 e -rw-r--r-- 1 skangas staff 3 Nov 9 10:05 foo -rw-r--r-- 1 skangas staff 0 Nov 9 10:03 i -rw-r--r-- 1 skangas staff 0 Nov 9 10:03 z In other words, the lock file is not next to the file it locks. Are you seeing something else? How would the ordering differ with a suffix like ".lock" compared to "#" or some other punctuation character? I would have thought that it would be very similar. Maybe I'm missing something. Best regards, Stefan Kangas