From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52870: Is displaying bindings in describe-function useful? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:49:12 -0800 Message-ID: References: <83wnjnk0at.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15184"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 52870@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 29 15:50:35 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aHi-0003nW-Sz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:50:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45202 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aHh-0000Cw-J8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 09:50:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42052) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aHC-0000Cg-8i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 09:50:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36789) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aHB-0006j4-VH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 09:50:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aHB-0004f1-UY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 09:50:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52870 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52870-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52870.164078936117841 (code B ref 52870); Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52870) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2021 14:49:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48332 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aGX-0004dh-Es for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 09:49:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f54.google.com ([209.85.216.54]:43817) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aGV-0004dS-Gu for 52870@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 09:49:19 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f54.google.com with SMTP id a11-20020a17090a854b00b001b11aae38d6so20147416pjw.2 for <52870@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Z5zmf75rmFWNsFaA8RvLrKUAMBzBWaM8sZl/qirpxH4=; b=hbf6Ny7g8lxewW/QLgLZci1jVlbQycswGKq57+kKk/ZAFrSQSsPvIu46wa0F85QR/p 1h5zsDZGypXFKFyZ40NjWRzglEWE8d6so11A2+I9BaV8/PObNO3EzDq4HxP3/VgX8KME 3GcYRWXhS6mL4gGlUiST1bAcpIHge00rZdwIZzzb0QAbGWqTTwmUzSfdhFUl8MNhyywR qYMR/eYWedy141Dmq7XEocTj7W0GaDl3O1CFVqVBrtR1JvlKec/9nsQUFG+xQy55L1FU jT1ZcqB/yqf8MjEYng71qkylSgD6NsFQFUbS8KRhwPa1SpfT31hOa2ej/c9uX7aZmZCy hOpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ahAfSN8ONvYSOtRyW4y/xoc4DRw6lPa0y84UG6gJ/hstvDt/u 13dbkLZ3hGIV0WqF0ME7yA2y++TBgqSYf0hkiWYz18iT X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwTFQISs2vITNUxwVLTGeCTe5tqybTDGhzPfoNcBhnfm9hFx0zlLH/S8PJPYwwDaaMPC//555bbjm5dJI6t3vs= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7615:b0:148:db50:6b9f with SMTP id k21-20020a170902761500b00148db506b9fmr26357300pll.102.1640789353740; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:49:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:49:12 -0800 In-Reply-To: <83wnjnk0at.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:223334 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I would therefore like to suggest either: >> >> a) Displaying nothing at all for such bindings. The menu entries will >> be shown in the menu itself, and that is enough. >> >> In this case, we could have an option to revert to the old behavior. >> >> b) Show it separately from other key bindings at the end, maybe >> something like this: > > This is a serious change in behavior, so I think it could only fly as > an opt-in feature. It sounds like a personal preference, so an > option, off by default, for it sounds about right. I assume you are talking by option a). I retract that proposal, and propose option b) as the default behaviour. Thanks.