From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52870: Is displaying bindings in describe-function useful? 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Is the " ..." part there very useful? I personally find it confusing and distracting. This is true even when I am specifically developing menus; I'd rather look at the menu definition and the resulting menu bar. I would therefore like to suggest either: a) Displaying nothing at all for such bindings. The menu entries will be shown in the menu itself, and that is enough. In this case, we could have an option to revert to the old behavior. b) Show it separately from other key bindings at the end, maybe something like this: Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.3. It can be invoked from the menu: "Operate" -> "Change Mode..."