From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38051: 26.3; (elisp) `Insertion' use of verb "point" Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:55:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8336eyazx2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="122929"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 38051@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 09 15:56:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS9t-000VnT-Nf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 15:56:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37140 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS9s-0004tf-3Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:56:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44235) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS9l-0004tT-Hk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:56:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS9k-0000ld-Kj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:56:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41327) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS9k-0000lY-Hq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:56:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS9k-0001EB-CV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:56:04 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 14:56:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38051 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38051-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38051.15733113223585 (code B ref 38051); Sat, 09 Nov 2019 14:56:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38051) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2019 14:55:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS93-0000vT-Qf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:55:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]:37461) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTS91-0000p1-NE for 38051@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 09:55:20 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f172.google.com with SMTP id z24so6090539pgu.4 for <38051@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 06:55:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ktbhwxXOlD1VW2r0bR+Cpi8SFxWZwChmg0kfSvNFhLo=; b=iFTJyyGVV8M/67wC9M05Zy/jKugmLErbj1XTnzSINbiROKetJrSUp8UxJ1Eu5nLP/N C1eAq0D5R92eBv00BnN/WA838KPGsydm6pjw4IWGOdzI6oBmudpjZvGjDVkC2H6mYs6O UBRX8xYbdkEHBz/kMC3k98ZVa1ZjtVqAbD90XKimQMz8XKLJepLj5yYUSntD6rTeAzdW ODPdWkQ7B+50S6gs17hhPxuAhgHckzXVSLFkiJwLwIdvPkznG7e9MY1icOFKAyBl0GW7 /WtKU9r0dxBGFUL5J6Vayy6aI2mT5IS9o0+FLz6wjqzDsDgJH2Ago37IwbPCQn2xycN1 wB+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV8NjIvEBPIeLKXxgMU1jECqyihWijHX/olnB981npG/hPzXka9 HIOwzBeRKHgq/NQJfKX1ytynk0voov+Ye62F4yw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx7LA7Vvc72mHKYhzVDj/IJnVDbgrcOSwnDd0d/iSZZs5WRLc8EfN1zVmd5ZkKXBnk2O92rIueZHENMSosNAn4= X-Received: by 2002:a62:7f93:: with SMTP id a141mr18853319pfd.107.1573311313863; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 06:55:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8336eyazx2.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:171326 Archived-At: tags 38051 + wontfix close 38051 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: > > It's a question of what the user needs as a > > conceptual model to work with markers (and > > overlays, for that matter). > > Wrong conceptual models will bite you down the road. It is best to > have correct conceptual models. I think this is the key here, not least because we are discussing the Emacs Lisp manual. I think we can indeed agree to disagree, while the decision seems to be to not make any changes along the suggested lines. I'm therefore closing this bug report. Thanks. Best regards, Stefan Kangas