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Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:10:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <8735oqa6zd.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:218127 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> This is the text under discussion: >> >> For brevity the rest of the Emacs documentation generally uses ju= st >> the current default location =E2=80=98~/.emacs.d/init.el=E2=80=99 fo= r the init file. >> >> The sentence says: "the current default location =E2=80=98~/.emacs.d/ini= t.el=E2=80=99". >> I can't interpret this in any other way than that this is the default >> location. This is, as we know, incorrect. > > Well, it's the default default location, isn't it? The default is ".emacs.el", if this text from (info "(emacs) Find Init") is correct: Emacs looks for your init file using the filenames =E2=80=98~/.emacs.e= l=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98~/.emacs=E2=80=99, or =E2=80=98~/.emacs.d/init.el=E2=80=99 in= that order; you can choose to use any one of these names. [...] Emacs can also look in an XDG-compatible location for =E2=80=98init.el=E2=80=99, the default is = the directory =E2=80=98~/.config/emacs=E2=80=99. > But saying "current" here is very odd -- it's probably meant as opposed > to "historical", but why should the person reading this text care? Why > not just say > > For brevity the rest of the Emacs documentation generally uses > =E2=80=98~/.emacs.d/init.el=E2=80=99 for the init file. I guess because that's not the convention we actually use. :-) We say ".emacs" everywhere. AFAICT, the only place we even mention "~/.emacs.d/init.el" in the manual is this node (!). That's why I proposed to change "current" to "historical", but the word "traditional" is also good IMO.