From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56510: Make some games obsolete (or just remove them from the menu) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:54:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5dfaa366be4768e47f5d36bf89c4ec02@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35227"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 56510@debbugs.gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 12:09:46 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oBCpt-0008yz-Ok for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 12:09:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48366 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBCps-000809-OG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:09:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39834) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBCbd-0001ch-VF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:55:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBCbd-0006db-N4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBCbd-0000HR-KC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:55:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56510 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 56510-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56510.16576196941060 (code B ref 56510); Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56510) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2022 09:54:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41675 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBCbW-0000H2-C5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:54:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]:36639) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBCbU-0000Go-Eh for 56510@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:54:52 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id g126so7058300pfb.3 for <56510@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 02:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aR57hdjFe3W2Y8sCLmcKY8fUnCStyw/ymVb/eOMcVGU=; b=zb7adUXTRStMGZFv6D3HtwjMrUbUSDktVhj1EI4qwVdt6WKoNfN3NFakayxlg2jANf AsaCNLS1sXCdsP87UhP5zPUAQ9J6Nrhl6qOP8qIOGczY+SLkgE7fY2awnrElubUCdcHO ooAqz1N1a3FQpAUoW0u5mjDRE1HAaueKq1KjrXj0H+oakgOrUdBE0k9Dkdtxy/DBKmiY B8ndLFFPLBAV1/gl91yqdZ2TflRp3RfeSVRMHtnZEgJ6hDUAAaDMZSQDQsL2+NUEv1/P 8rNnunZDT3GNCCQqRevNkj0CE31osOVyO55HsmJNhedfLph3LIwquHkg3I35IGPvbm4P VWBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9RTtoH2HgGikY9IU/6EVsJSgYXV0zVQgttlAFsz+S889LRuxtg qm1nKu+prPeBFHRrSiXa14hw8YfAwXf6q7cqZTY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1tAxlP0v3WkJO8Z9jMuuPzI5kCEL+YZNmE09sT67NwyA40C+1p3MGqjgssHXIeXtyxOLeNN3hQe5EaXJtxpNfk= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:80ce:0:b0:529:5e4f:7f67 with SMTP id a14-20020aa780ce000000b005295e4f7f67mr23259007pfn.3.1657619686326; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 02:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:54:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5dfaa366be4768e47f5d36bf89c4ec02@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (Phil Sainty's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2022 20:27:44 +1200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:236754 Archived-At: Phil Sainty writes: > On 2022-07-12 15:06, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> Some of the games in Emacs look a bit dated. I put it to you that they >> are not excellent promotion for Emacs, and that we are better served by >> having fewer but better games. > > Why do they need to be "an excellent promotion for Emacs" as opposed > to "games you can play"? I was trying to be polite, sorry. Let me put it a bit more bluntly: they make Emacs look scruffy and antiquated, and should much sooner be hidden than actively promoted. > And I put it to you that most of Emacs looks "a bit dated" to most > people (at least by default). Indeed. We can and should improve that.