From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39992: Merge external idlwave development efforts into GNU Emacs? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 10:23:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <875zfe49a2.fsf@stefankangas.se> <6B65AE1C-0D47-490D-BEF3-385BC6FCEE7E@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38197"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 39992@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier To: JD Smith Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 19 19:24:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mS0Xy-0009mW-LI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:24:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39528 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mS0Xx-0002el-4P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:24:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mS0Xq-0002eS-9D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mS0Xq-0000f3-1l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mS0Xp-00022N-Ta for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:24:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 39992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39992.16320721937751 (code B ref 39992); Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:24:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2021 17:23:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39814 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mS0X3-00020x-1A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:23:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:54987) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mS0Wz-00020f-H3 for 39992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:23:11 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f41.google.com with SMTP id me1so1707984pjb.4 for <39992@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8T1mkvsBW3ARvinyBxZrIkPrZN9FcaDas59NMJhJD5A=; b=PhRrSb/UDinb1YSzB8tzCo+irNjuKLeCtY6u0rznEdsYk6LeanmtbbE9DlmpahBWDP xee29wfAE1L9VCFrqcRZ9jjnYak++o/9jIpNQb4opsnNgfvgzviogZ8pYgTl4gcIHL4k 2ggi8JMVsRljukO11ELBF1pyPzlAzx/MVm3ImfyvamZ5uWIdVO0QpSOvZbGj4ag5YcmM BFxLTkNOJY5dxHbnblFHYOQxfrTVmUsMWdzA8fJ3qvEPk0YSUHaa/Uk1idGRvZk33L+M ff4Qa87WrCxchN0Bdap0/F2oocxj88NZhiXCmVBFl9Wc+QmMx02KnD8IxnfisExrUMLx y1nQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Ru/QZxRX58Jy86tzD2fCfxeFF2fs75dgPRwzv5Swzxuf2D0Hb +Kz8WObtMvzthQdZiSld6cTCeyP4NdHh2TzydIQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyEpQ02Dk/dphrryJymSzkzHJ6wmIm74X23vPJshntAehRqwnQylrJpOaRpJzDJkx3DhbEn9ctBn5qqqOUkREc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:d505:b0:13d:b037:2087 with SMTP id b5-20020a170902d50500b0013db0372087mr994193plg.22.1632072183372; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 10:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 10:23:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: <6B65AE1C-0D47-490D-BEF3-385BC6FCEE7E@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:214767 Archived-At: JD Smith writes: > I=E2=80=99m happy for anyone to work on merging the latest IDLWAVE into E= macs, > and I can assist with this process as time allows. This might require > some moderate effort, since I believe I refactored and simplified the > code layout (in an attempt to attract a new maintainer) after my last > push into emacs core. This refactoring occurred around 20015/16. My > last commit on GitHub was actually in 2018. Thank you for your efforts in maintaining this package. I don't actually use it myself, so I only have a few observations on the maintenance aspects below. > I=E2=80=99ve also discussed with several of the emacs devels over the yea= rs > moving IDLWAVE to a package on Elpa. I think that=E2=80=99s a more > appropriate home, since there are not terribly many users (as judged > by the number of email queries I get now vs. a decade ago). That makes sense to me. I'm copying in Stefan Monnier, who is in charge of GNU ELPA, in case he has anything to add. > I still use IDLWAVE, but far more rarely than before. There is > currently a bug related to routine info scanning that I need to look > into. I=E2=80=99m happy to do this in the context of a merged core/elpa > package if someone is able to lead that effort. There were numerous > changes on the emacs side based on obsoleted functions, etc. that I > never found the time to bring over. If we could get those changes merged into your version, perhaps we could just replace the one in Emacs with yours? It would of course be excellent if you could eventually find the time to do that, and a priori it sounds like much less works than going the other way around. > And needless to say, if you know of any users of IDLWAVE who are > interested in taking over maintenance and overseeing its re-folding > back into the emacs core/elpa, I=E2=80=99d be delighted to speak with the= m. I currently don't, unfortunately. I suppose we shall have to wait and see if there is someone interested. Thanks again for getting back to us about this.