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From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: Heime <heimeborgia@protonmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	65459@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#65459: completing-read INITIAL-VALUE unaware of COLLECTION and REQUIRE-MATCH
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 15:16:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkmkfYdNs5vSkbgt_T2ht22hTXkUzn7bpBmwBgnKbbTRJMg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpm2xmxnx.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

>> Thanks, that clarifies that question!  Perhaps a paragraph along those lines
>> could be added to "(elisp)Advising Functions"?
>
> What about the following?

I think it's a good addition.

> diff --git a/doc/lispref/functions.texi b/doc/lispref/functions.texi
> index 53525e6b386..236b823e7e6 100644
> --- a/doc/lispref/functions.texi
> +++ b/doc/lispref/functions.texi
> @@ -1994,9 +1994,16 @@ Advising Named Functions
>  debugging does not notice or remember that the function has been modified
>  by advice.
>
> -  For these reasons, advice should be reserved for the cases where you
> -cannot modify a function's behavior in any other way.  If it is
> -possible to do the same thing via a hook, that is preferable
> +  Note that the problems are not due to advice per se, but to the act
> +of modifying a named function.  It is even more problematic to modify
> +a named function via lower-level primitives like @code{fset},
> +@code{defalias}, or @code{cl-letf}.  From that point of view, advice
> +is the better way to modify a named function because it keeps track of
> +the modifications, so they can be listed and undone.
> +
> +  Modifying a named function should be reserved for
> +the cases where you cannot modify Emacs' behavior in any other way.
> +If it is possible to do the same thing via a hook, that is preferable
>  (@pxref{Hooks}).  If you simply want to change what a particular key
>  does, it may be better to write a new command, and remap the old
>  command's key bindings to the new one (@pxref{Remapping Commands}).





  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-04 22:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-22 22:04 bug#65459: completing-read INITIAL-VALUE unaware of COLLECTION and REQUIRE-MATCH Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 11:57   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 13:07     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 15:29       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:05         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:39           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:58             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 18:12               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 21:27                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 22:44                   ` Drew Adams
2023-08-23 23:06                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-24  2:30                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 12:30                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-24 13:19                         ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-25  6:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2023-08-24 13:46                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-26  8:06                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-31  9:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-04 21:35                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-04 22:16                               ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2023-09-05 11:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-05 12:59                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-05 13:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-24  9:02                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 13:36                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 14:51                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 16:45                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 18:50                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 19:35                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 20:22                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 21:02                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 21:45                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-26  8:10                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-26 14:27                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27  6:45                                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 14:40                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:21                                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:26                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:35                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 18:01                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:11                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:48                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 22:59                                                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28  3:12                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28  9:14                                                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 12:44                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 12:50                                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 13:04                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 13:13                                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:42                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 18:02                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 20:54                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:26                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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