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Sun, 18 Apr 2021 06:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:10:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204331 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> I'm personally fine with that, but I suspect it would be controversial >> as it would leave us with no way of beeping (visual or otherwise). > > You get a message in the echo area... Not for `ding' though, e.g.: (progn (setq ring-bell-function #'ignore) (defun foo () (interactive) (ding))) M-x foo RET So if we make that change, perhaps we should make `ding' obsolete in favour of `user-error'. > As somebody else noted earlier, if you have visible-bell on, but use > "-nw", that's the only notification you get -- there's no visible bell > on the console. So you could say that there's some precedence for using > just the echo area as the only notification mechanism (beyond apparently > all the popular Emacs distributions doing exactly that). True. You have my vote, FWIW.