From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48023: download.html has better instructions for non-free systems Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14805"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48023@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 27 00:31:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb9l1-0003iZ-LB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 00:31:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59746 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb9l0-00038d-Ay for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57694) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb9ks-00038U-T2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb9ks-0007zq-LZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lb9ks-0008OY-H6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:31:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 22:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48023 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48023-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48023.161947625432255 (code B ref 48023); Mon, 26 Apr 2021 22:31:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2021 22:30:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lb9kk-0008OB-3h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:30:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f48.google.com ([209.85.216.48]:40881) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lb9ki-0008Ny-B1 for 48023@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:30:53 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f48.google.com with SMTP id g1-20020a17090adac1b0290150d07f9402so6017206pjx.5 for <48023@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 15:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Y2l6DRPcbLHBGpNPMl/PVtYRSOFmb7DXF01dywt4Vw4=; b=YrLFWn+DsgGuhUPqtePAks1thWiRJtyznUDKOyCtbP5EdbO772zKjF5OJV6Eio+ViG Dcr0S054p0zCq1C3J9Zetf6tjmZ0qpTA02oGhf9noXby9MDI9sQfet2Xd1TU1q/N/djN XA1gDcCyQdnZ+qAxCEBCh6ZUGEXmVzYNoHeqiit3EBgBTV0XrsBF9XTKVZrL3F3VSI4K n27LHY0xWCzSoCYzEV+eXtOAEP7YV2eSEGenLok5qCmnLOYjA2no4ok56GKIKXWsGRxj ST5L1oacW8oULLycgCI88KWTx5XTImz1W27rSB9+BCQsk/n667vWAx38978criUTHz7h YwAw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532qklCC1KAF1CnVL4G04dW+S+HFaP9N3E0ZKNMmgckI278SG+Ky /QfAh8DOWyVFzvpPULsRJhTXgBfrwEFJxFu0denkl0bk X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyruQ8v7lOKGtYsBdDIBVddWWiSnm8iYDsGfBhUsFS9wS/fmBxozcA1AISZacHa/6p/hhynvHgKhAgNp+PKS9w= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:19ca:: with SMTP id nm10mr24153001pjb.175.1619476246474; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 15:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:30:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204979 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > But there is a wrinkle to deal with. > > > - Debian/Ubuntu > > - Fedora/RedHat > > - Arch Linux > > - OpenSUSE > > - GNU Guix > > Of all those, the only one that is a free distro is GNU Guix. > The others are nonfree distros that we don't want to promote. I don't understand this given that we are fine with mentioning Windows and macOS. > We could describe Trisquel, and say that the nonfree distros Debian > and Ubuntu are similar. > > We could describe Parabola and Hyperbola, and say that Arch GNU/Linux > is similar. > > Are there free distros (see https://gnu.org/distros/) that are > lile Fedora and OpenSUSE? Is the below acceptable? In comparison to the old page, it actively discourages using distributions that GNU and/or FSF thinks are "non-free". IOW, if I agreed with your position, I think I would be more happy with it. But of course you would know better than me. (The old page simply dodged the issue, which seems less than ideal.) --- download.html.~1.23.~ 2021-04-26 03:34:59.821526101 +0200 +++ download.html 2021-04-26 23:14:32.913860136 +0200 @@ -66,6 +66,74 @@ way to install Emacs unless you always want to use the latest release.

+

Some GNU/Linux distributions recommend nonfree + software. We cannot recommend their use, see + + Why We Don't Endorse Other Systems.

+ + + + + +

Debian and derivatives

+ +

+ We do not recommend using this GNU/Linux distribution and some of + its derivatives (including Ubuntu and Linux Mint), as they + + include nonfree components and firmware. + + We recommend using the Debian-based and fully free + Trisquel GNU/Linux + instead. +

+ + 
sudo apt-get install emacs
+ + +

Arch

+ +

+ We do not recommend using this GNU/Linux distribution, as it + + includes nonfree components and firmware. + + We recommend using the Arch-based and fully free + Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre or + Parabola GNU/Linux-libre + instead. +

+ + 
sudo pacman -S emacs
+ + +

Fedora and Redhat

+ +

We do not recommend using these GNU/Linux distributions, as they + + include nonfree components and firmware.

+ + 
sudo dnf install emacs
+ + +

OpenSUSE

+ +

We do not recommend using this GNU/Linux distribution, as it + + includes nonfree components and firmware.

+ + 
sudo zypper install emacs
+ + +

GNU Guix

+ + 
guix package -i emacs
+ + +

Building from source

+

You can download GNU Emacs releases from a nearby GNU mirror; or if automatic redirection does not work see the list of