From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50775: ispell help message times out before most people can read it Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:38:10 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87czoy86c1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <875yuppf0k.fsf@gnus.org> <83fstspjxo.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50775@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 25 21:39:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDVz-0006t7-VH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 21:39:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41876 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDVz-0006A2-1O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:39:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDVm-00067H-MM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:39:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:51511) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDVm-0005Dd-AD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:39:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDVm-0004Gp-7c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:39:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50775 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50775-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50775.163259869916338 (code B ref 50775); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 19:38:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34820 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDV5-0004FR-JW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:38:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f50.google.com ([209.85.216.50]:53083) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDV3-0004FC-8s for 50775@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:38:17 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f50.google.com with SMTP id v19so9352376pjh.2 for <50775@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=htqFWO4D/n5nDWLikfJ6yf8TE8GoPAiYz1kYloPfQS8=; b=rHHYWTS6iF5CQl4TsMNjASAq4BCyjWWzJHPZmCbHt9WHb2dxkq7FdYAhYrfR0D8mFw zdhf43KEY6RaRh1K5LfsJFS7paQJiuFXqDzgTBg2BvfA2WNUOYeMxvle2qRxeRgf2l/T kvEWX5/FwipVRBFz91WG/MK9nKYB+WdhnyHIPaWsFmxQMc6s8Hfy6bHlI/otS/D+zlVn Gtq5qJ/bd7nfvSC5Mkc0Jwf7IOQGrYOPgG21qX9Ap4GgUXixpA+EJdcytpOfH9/Ej9Xg 4MPExRw7AdHUsMJg4drNXOlamhScebZZfaKattIPUcfUOOO062smkv8fk6qZcibOjMN+ wQQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533PYZrQ6WX1cpXN1U0BgelxYKRUKXm63VUV35HRv96b6/QQwL87 qb/Y7q/4CRVlEpmdIXoPbmr5ijyb6z/bFE+2VB4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx2s7Bt6/o3J16iKJqRE0f0zrzXam6phGSB2d08vDlhtJ+saJOUoUTQckZgJN52Erc6pC2Jey6Vz1wDI8EM8B4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:460a:: with SMTP id w10mr9776652pjg.132.1632598691470; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:38:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83fstspjxo.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215515 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > We've been having that for eons, so changing the default now should > only be done if we have a very good reason. You have a customizable > variable now, so why not change the value for your convenience? > > Let's not let the tail wag the dog: it's a minor issue, no need to > turn the world around each time we add some minor convenience. [ Removing a timeout for a message does not exactly amount to "turning the world around"... ] We don't avoid fixing minor issues just because they are old, do we? That's not something I have ever heard proposed before. For all we know, users have been frustrated with this for ages, but no one told us about it until now. That said, the other alternative I proposed was increasing the timeout to 10 seconds to give the user enough time to read it.