From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13694"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Gregory Heytings , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 15:08:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXkgE-0003SP-PR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:08:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38200 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXkgD-0001cM-Hv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:08:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXkg6-0001cD-SY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59150) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXkg5-0005Cl-VQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXkg5-0007kC-P7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:08:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161866486329744 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 13:07:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42463 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXkfn-0007jf-Es for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:07:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]:36499) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXkfm-0007jS-1e for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:07:42 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-f171.google.com with SMTP id z22so10248129plo.3 for <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 06:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hHi2BFq35xb/ZjY/YTHmJqOLj0urQ+2EQt4gy3prr9s=; b=r5WSpZbfnnTj88UunMMO/+4qVf+Xq5s+2qUBCLNlNnpHfzI0IFCvrxp9SSOjm3+bG0 okhDTSFgbNQ8cc+nPZt4uHhix0OisN2KOdzeWlHKvOBg/OVhREQiJcDo1LbspuPIX6bt /vAcWp1d0pmnGSKvqMSB9NkNs6XrmUXlfQICrUthPnjFyUKVG7ZqU+v5i1qnXQbzTvZJ dX8F/X5cU9cTEJtuvMMCxQ39WiOvIJG7nAi7+EXSneNQmJa69ctwgVVitX/pwXs++2Wz ZMvi9ABx/l25jdHlptRtcPfupjkigdkv8Sr27yVmMxMdfFyTru7ER5iOnZt232GDDjV9 hvMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531TxRn9MswsMbB50HvKwm6Snt9yUGNqeBDSO4HDLx+S5dKFP0EH VuuOYtD0Yl03kD3CAnRXnH2COQ6RdKr3hHjx8JY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyEt7POuxYXF12r8RYt/QmCkxP5ie8WNpUdv30RDLlAyzS5r/WqNCP1fYNn8tB7pzQn58kdvpB6GUbf2okRyBg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:4085:: with SMTP id l5mr15026161pjg.104.1618664856286; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 06:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:07:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204199 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > However, I just noticed that an "emacs -Q" doesn't beep at all on this > machine -- because I've switched off all "alert" beeps in the OS > interface. So `C-g' just says "Quit" in the echo area, and nothing > else. What machine is that? > So in this instance, defaulting `visible-bell' to "on" would make `C-g' > more intrusive/obnoxious than previously... which is the opposite > effect than what was originally discussed in this bug report. Can anything be done about that, though? (I guess to turn it off completely you would be expected to set `ring-bell-function' to #'ignore and visual-bell to nil.)