From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48504: Improve style of C-h t description (Preface) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 05:07:09 -0700 Message-ID: References: <83im3frgsr.fsf@gnu.org> <3195631d-1f4c-2b55-b7ed-9bb919458c76@gmail.com> <83h7izqx4l.fsf@gnu.org> <837djvq6n2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11246"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Sebastian Urban , 48504@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 29 14:09:52 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYPI-0002gT-KP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:09:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36818 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYPH-0008Dt-Cl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:09:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYNW-0005zv-UG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36464) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYNW-0005f6-Ke for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYNW-0006RO-Fp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:08:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48504 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48504-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48504.163291724024672 (code B ref 48504); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48504) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 12:07:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48003 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYMp-0006Pr-LY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:07:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:45960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVYMm-0006Pc-Qa for 48504@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:07:18 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f41.google.com with SMTP id om12-20020a17090b3a8c00b0019eff43daf5so1749047pjb.4 for <48504@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 05:07:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1IsunpqXViL+GjlXlLm3J8FJgUdt6ZmMgjTQco8/am0=; b=KsoUPkm7+P7Jb9bOU76+ab4/XODNCMrU4MlfAuLr+fR9805fGVX5tS4fxFZNH6OhXd uM5jDKmn9WscpmldRKsnqcQzKhIn2d1OuRq9we4CPOcuKvFMRZK/blGnARFSgQB9VQCD cWYAKUH0szdZY0D12kkwo1ZI2F2jjC39iFeKn6OOfHExgmx+qBI6YbHNf3ChfsBjsfcm qTVI5JWxQxkPsPy6G+Dnpapl9Grtl5NNcDSx87WQUXnq3KNf+qNFGUPaH8b4bVYjehZP 6SRfJhj1NuYw6gcCpBbCLTT10MOs2C6a8XXfubWDcy3eBtovYYL+siVxRQa1tHF6uYXb NcoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530gT0t3nFkjpdKK8JMzngTG8m7UQPxWjcNEgPfUB5eQ/386yo2A BsAp5k6GP5G+dsiaUkLFtcG0ZNFExltZQakFfz8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzazotbJOTsxKzxavTXUvBLYpCaFGXhgFhB/9EbKLMkoUFX4cSBshjtHL41g0biTqD2O+ncuT3sgzc+3TFydFc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:460a:: with SMTP id w10mr6076409pjg.132.1632917230228; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 05:07:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: <837djvq6n2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 19 May 2021 14:56:17 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215843 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> No, I mean to change this: >> (which is ``control h and then t'') >> into this: >> (hold down @key{Control} and type @kbd{h}, then let go of >> @key{Control} and type @kbd{t}) > > That's awkward. How about > > To run the tutorial, start Emacs and type @kbd{C-h t} (that is, > press and hold Control, then type h, then release Control and type > t). All users already know the notation Ctrl+X if they have ever used a computer. We can safely assume this most basic level of computer literacy. So this is better written as: > To run the tutorial, start Emacs and type @kbd{C-h t} (that is, > @kbd{Ctrl+H}, then @kbd{T}). (There is no confusion here with regards to @kbd{T} and @kbd{t}, because everywhere else our "T" is written as "Shift+T".)