From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50936: "(emacs) Help" does say how to find external packages Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 19:28:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83mtntdizr.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee94euwe.fsf@gnu.org> <83a6jseoir.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23799"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50936@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 01 19:40:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWMW9-0005xi-6w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 19:40:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60938 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWMW7-0000tV-QP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWMLG-0000H5-K8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWMLF-0001m1-SW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWMLF-0004Na-PQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:29:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 17:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50936 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50936-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50936.163310933116816 (code B ref 50936); Fri, 01 Oct 2021 17:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50936) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2021 17:28:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWML5-0004N9-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f173.google.com ([209.85.215.173]:36609) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWML2-0004Mv-0C for 50936@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 75so10065646pga.3 for <50936@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SKoMakcJrCumFutP2Jqs63CwSEWnxdQzFwkQL8MmQM8=; b=izf52WFMz8eLmlJ4co6qEfowgoseeSmr1CUs1Jm7iqZN99vwScA6MopEP5PZlYdmlc PqFKyXOo6vBDYDQsuntElhBmexKhVW7ndEm1J2ImeqqFT90A9yl/XZ/bSsZIuNpYB/bM VLEeX6KT3A/cJppjBKBSWlqFZhdNmApXKNBQmU8is4fG2GWoXMrAurjbBOeWM+iKt0So uCZsy/09YoxbCjw7sT9D9dchV29eBsZb+Z2/0BY6r4SxHKdICEGMKrW0IjJNB9icQ2Wc fDqtehQuiSAohKmH5G/TscfO4ruJRXdBVPmLtJGMSFBdTzDWjYtu6iLMK+bAIQ6zRpPy LM2A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533vx/oy/8dO3WuvRrfr/sqGwD+8HgqBr8rf5bkoBfCuTgcagkdX FeXxl7rJ4BvDEod3D3h19+bp8wNN4a2cjMCdgmA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwiW/6B3TMeGmZ+M3wkbtAAc4x2nBJA4bN/d4nQotIabymg7pvBI1E78JRvIhktzjTdSrDkrkyuE6l+I4jJ5SU= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9e90:0:b0:43f:2abb:a504 with SMTP id p16-20020aa79e90000000b0043f2abba504mr12428095pfq.35.1633109322070; Fri, 01 Oct 2021 10:28:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83a6jseoir.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216069 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The manual explains what is available in Emacs. If the user looks for > features not in Emacs, it is okay not to find them in our > documentation. It is unrealistic for use to provide ways to find > features outside of Emacs, because they are too many. I'm not suggesting to list features, but to say that 'list-packages' exist. That command is a part of Emacs. > When we figure out how to more closely integrate with ELPA, we should > as part of that try to find ways of searching the documentation of > those packages as part of our "normal" Help commands. But until we > have done that, I see no reason to make that section in the manual > less efficient just so we could say we are more complete. I think > doing so will result in net loss. I don't think mentioning 'list-packages' would make the manual less efficient.