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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
To: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>
Cc: 8427@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#8427: [SECURITY] sql.el -- comint process passwords are leaked to ps(1) listing
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 05:28:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkmk6LC1=oSyh17GAh4yZQFwzH70hyCecU1pu++4hBGg5pw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fwpxdjlk.fsf@blue.sea.net>

Hi Andrew,

Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com> writes:

> This is fairly easy to fix - mysql can check to see if the user entered
> a blank for the password prompt, and instead of not sending a password,
> send just the "--password" argument so the user can enter it into the
> process instead of the command line.  I have a fix ready to check in
> that works for mysql (I'm not sure which other products support that).

I think using an empty "--pasword" parameter sounds like the right fix.
That makes mysql prompt for the password, and we could supply it there
instead.  I guess that's what you meant?

Could you perhaps send your patch here for review?

> Alternatively, we can just have a variable that controls whether
> passwords are asked for on the command line at all (if sql-password is
> unset), which could default to nil, making the security better by
> default.

I'm not sure what this means, but I guess the above fix should be
enough.  Perhaps I'm missing something.

> BTW, I guess the attack here is that another user process can use
> something like strace to snoop on emacs's child processeses and obtain
> the mysql password?

Well, according to the threads linked earlier this can still be a
problem on Solaris, where the password is visible to all users if they
just run "ps".  Perhaps it's been fixed since whenever these comments
were written though...

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>> Apparently, no they cannot, since mysql replaces the password characters
>>> with x's:
>>
>> Of course, that still leaves the chars exposed during a short time window.

And as Stefan explains here the password is still exposed during a
short time window even on GNU/Linux.  AFAIU, it's a possible race
attack which it would be nice to avoid.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas





  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-06  3:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-05 11:27 bug#8427: [SECURITY] sql.el -- comint process passwords are leaked to ps(1) listing Jari Aalto
2012-02-28 23:35 ` bug#8427: (no subject) Michael Mauger
2014-03-06  2:06 ` bug#8427: [SECURITY] sql.el -- comint process passwords are leaked to ps(1) listing Glenn Morris
2014-03-07 23:02   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-07 17:54     ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-10-06  3:28 ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2019-10-13  1:51   ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-10-13 22:09     ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]       ` <meny2xh8p4o.fsf@ahyatt-macbookpro6.roam.corp.google.com>
2019-10-20 15:57         ` bug#8427: Fwd: " Stefan Kangas
2019-10-20 16:02           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-21  0:56             ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-10-21 20:33               ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-11-02  1:10                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-11-02 19:41                   ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-11-11  5:31                     ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-12-16  4:59                       ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-12-16 15:12                         ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-12-18  6:15                           ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-12-18 12:45                             ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-12-18 16:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-18 17:52                                 ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2019-12-30 15:11                                   ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-12-30 18:34                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-12-30 19:26                                       ` Andrew Hyatt
2019-12-30 19:39                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-30 23:36                                           ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-21 12:45                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12  5:05                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 16:05                                                 ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-13 17:47                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 18:26                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 21:26                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19  4:37                                                         ` Michael Mauger via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-19 11:58                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-19 12:05                                                             ` Michael Albinus
2021-11-05  7:11                                                           ` Stefan Kangas

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