From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41532: Why use the mouse in Emacs? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 01:29:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87zh9vgbkc.fsf@laposte.net> <304f1cd0-045c-4f34-924c-2ae2ca072cc0@default> <87sgfmoi9g.fsf@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5286"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 41532@debbugs.gnu.org To: Kevin Vigouroux Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 03:30:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTxWX-0001G3-7o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 03:30:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46422 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTxWV-0008G4-LZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 21:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38190) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTxWN-0008Fj-2j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 21:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52557) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTxWM-0001gW-PS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 21:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kTxWM-0006nZ-KT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 21:30:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 01:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41532 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41532-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41532.160298455726009 (code B ref 41532); Sun, 18 Oct 2020 01:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41532) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2020 01:29:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35863 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kTxVd-0006lM-HY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 21:29:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com ([209.85.208.49]:38910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kTxVb-0006l1-S3 for 41532@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 21:29:16 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id i5so6659229edr.5 for <41532@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 18:29:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ad+lTVPCPIuYceL1f990nXrasfJ9BnBeA2k0ULv9798=; b=Fuq+pnNGPvvnaCzyfZ8kzHkTSSo8bT97vcXPcwCyySaevBJ8IBLxa8/UIdcsLMRN1F Ur87H217Bgrw3s6N9Gdwdx8EmUcBoXj0WcrfeAcTdv+XNQWTsGTHZ4+1LlT/oGHHChTW ZCqdsBNnZcLyQsDx4ROzHVIMA9e4HBxMjBYfj4v0dwSWqouyRFQFbpyAS1pbDG8L/wFe jetrh0hshqbUEdAZJZ1k65VNGp5OZxbLZNvOqohtIT0v6Xk92AQhVyyvdPjKJKcgVluv F7WSDjvRjsx6+cXeUWqqDrfZrFI1kADbPlwnaihb8rhUNLfAZzYlrpsprEQTD+MrGGdP L6zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530paPP0jEkqOZFdlSvUXFCqa3b1a3R+QCAN02glk8EEoORPYNhe b2Y//6xRjseTejyaPUtnqpoqmI5elh/YN6Eq4gE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwxZ3Hxgev1S/tTQgbFgDRomzJkLy7mTDK8Bnnd/e5FNka+7B8aWTTafnAfYE6swVA5ovGpwAX0GIaqbsjplnM= X-Received: by 2002:a50:fa42:: with SMTP id c2mr11877328edq.282.1602984550121; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 18:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 01:29:09 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87sgfmoi9g.fsf@laposte.net> (Kevin Vigouroux's message of "Tue, 26 May 2020 16:58:19 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:190850 Archived-At: tags 41532 + moreinfo thanks Kevin Vigouroux writes: > The user experience is quite different when browsing the Emacs and > LibreOffice menus although they seem similar. The Emacs interface is > mainly text-based partly because there are few graphical widgets. > > Nonetheless, this difference is not always clearly perceived. It can be > seen in the following two cases: > > 1. Menu bar> Tools, Merge, Files... opens a window manager window. > 2. Menu bar> Tools, Search Files(Grep)... opens the minibuffer. > > Moreover, I think people may also confuse a text-based interface having > a good appearance with a graphical user interface. > > The issue may be: > > - Better describe or explain how to use the mouse in the interface, > > - Fix the menu so as not to mislead the user, What do you suggest, more concretely? I've read the thread but I can't find anything actionable. > - Rebuild at least partially the Emacs graphical user interface. This is a bit too vague to be actionable. I suggest coming up with concrete suggestions for what to do, and sending them as separate feature requests.