From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40813: [PATCH] Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:39:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83a731b2fr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="79176"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 40813@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 12:40:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvkh-000KOi-OK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:40:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59658 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvkg-00016M-PR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40566) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvkZ-00015N-9p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvkY-0006pp-SG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44954) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvkY-0006oV-Gh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvkY-0002TD-Ed for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:40:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40813 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 40813-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40813.15877247719447 (code B ref 40813); Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:40:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40813) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2020 10:39:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56500 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvk3-0002SJ-0r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:39:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f179.google.com ([209.85.219.179]:39003) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvk1-0002S4-25 for 40813@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:39:29 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f179.google.com with SMTP id d197so352051ybh.6 for <40813@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 03:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rq+3uQ9UnGLLdB00263Amiv+mBTBWQ8IdMrGy5QZlIo=; b=kJejGPdk3ZENVV6o32kwrVHiXPHh4TsrNPx/exbVnfInHm3dMgY+cDr3fGv3V1GVP5 cu5jYsTDjdxJy15zfGr3BqurzxzolXoQZ4gmGYhfVyXFMLOH50LhaLfA72OAv6j+ZO+J EsQfRPJTX+uJRhSY3B3bF/y/i59ot9prle7/EEeYaJGGYoY22rtYqIRcrwrOUJfXWqtW WJSLkFUHbx3flgiWxfNHqIADOo3L9bs8itwezgyfZoUUrtUzK3sncHnUO9/deXKuQW2Q 265ep6l/IO0FwTEHOy6YbNHiOm3izkvpYm4+CIp5rtUxn0n1cqAYtDQophWQGKg1bnVD l1qw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaSXwTi1vTvwT+rVrvl2tGSRWsS9qVSoXzZOhtpoNesCkBUFI9R a67nIDCp2fW/eDUFoJHGOhIPnH6/yReWCytY6YgVUJ5f16w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJOUUF+ix0UxO6cbm6vygMShavtXS3NQlvc44N1v2jmvmohaGLczhUWNg/AQEU3Jr07iLJtZvZrjiDyrMDzDT8= X-Received: by 2002:a25:2d6:: with SMTP id 205mr14654117ybc.181.1587724763553; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 03:39:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83a731b2fr.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178900 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I believe org-mode is vastly more well-known and arguably also more > > intuitive to users. > > It is also much larger and heavier. Is that a problem in practice? > > IME and IMO, just the simple fact that you can cycle headlines with > > TAB in org-mode makes things a whole lot easier. > > What do you mean by "cycle headlines", and why cannot it be done in > Outline mode? By cycling headlines, I mean hiding and showing them (see org-cycle). Outline has ten different outline-show-* and outline-hide-* commands with their respective key bindings. Org-mode has one key for all this: TAB. I should perhaps not have put that much emphasis on this aspect -- it just happens to be the reason why I personally find outline-mode hard to use. The main argument is that org-mode will be more familiar to users and prospective Emacs hackers. Best regards, Stefan Kangas