From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 01:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19398"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, jasonspiro4@gmail.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 08:08:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXe7k-0004uU-Tp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:08:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53712 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXe7j-00048g-HI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:08:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXe7d-00048Y-VV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:08:01 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXe7d-0008T0-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:08:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXe7d-0003PE-Jq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:08:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 06:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161863963013030 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 06:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 06:07:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42089 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXe6k-0003O1-1h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:07:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f182.google.com ([209.85.210.182]:42719) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXe6e-0003NU-3b for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:07:04 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f182.google.com with SMTP id w8so16265039pfn.9 for <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 23:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TlgigBn1yB1H871I39NOISms2N9e8dUzjwIJFcXzBmE=; b=cHwkEqJ7LJwUfEZ6OBfh4pwuZ4PiSSW9zXfd51ivzmh7uO6odobU/8h/H6I4ewpc0K 1p08zxxJLp2X7BXdOPX6XPYr4EVhaz2r7cmyy8tqGdFP4egen+jk+KrSfooPgO5Hnn0h J8hm6zJRtoghFQQbKIBmYwvkWZTr6pu8F+3O+4mRCYIz9JjM+J2bxHJYjx01tC86/Zvm T/64Dh4Cb4Q/mcHdHF0JtXyTNdrUhipCTTwVc34RZf682txM7PUq9s3vQH/BDbtffuJd Y8/lNm7ZInYVd5BHbAjFjz/Trh0xruXCJgOXwCHOyLH7II/prue6cczotQ3Tniscq9uy lEIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530kGFML3LOUcifxqfTiHECck9OPMgbz7WEI/lix1t4clI8bk0O1 0WvTRRdZ/R9+2xY2fdrfChWD71mzHIQovTRvapo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxwWaXZKaIplEPyIPp+bhfaAn3y1nU5Vs1rGZ5MnjRaS2yrf5xQyLW5qgdXyvx4y8a3JX5JMhdqnnUDSG60d7Y= X-Received: by 2002:a63:942:: with SMTP id 63mr2333352pgj.67.1618639614569; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 23:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 01:06:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:07:29 -0500") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204173 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> No, that's not the intent. The intent is to make the visible bell the >> default. To turn it off, you turn off visible-bell, which makes Emacs >> beep again, and then turn off the speakers. > > Indeed. A good reason to use visible-bell by default is that we have no > guarantee that the bell can actually be heard (e.g. I usually turn it > off because I usually consider that a computer should be as close to > silent as possible, except when I specifically ask otherwise (.e.g > listing to music or whatching a video)). > > The other reason is that the beep can annoy other people than the user, > whereas the visible-bell is very unlikely to annoy other people than the > user herself. (That was 12 years ago.) So how about setting visible-bell to t by default in Emacs 28? This behavior was called "barbaric" by Chong Yidong in 2008, and the situation hasn't improved since.