* bug#58781: 28.2; move-file-to-trash may move file across filesystems @ 2022-10-25 20:00 Gustavo Barros 2022-10-25 21:57 ` Gustavo Barros 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Gustavo Barros @ 2022-10-25 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 58781 Hi All, I'm trying to investigate bug#58721 (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2022-10/msg01987.html), couldn't figure it out yet, but in the process of doing so, I've found another issue. Namely, that `move-file-to-trash' may move the file across filesystems with some undesired implications, including potential security risk. This happens because, for the case using the freedesktop.org method, in setting trash directory, the procedure is the following: (xdg-data-dir (directory-file-name (expand-file-name "Trash" (or (getenv "XDG_DATA_HOME") "~/.local/share")))) There's no provision to check whether `xdg-data-dir' belongs to the same filesystem (partition) as the file being moved there. As a result, the `move-file-to-trash' may move the file across filesystems. Indeed, I've tested it and, if you are trashing a file from a different partition, it ends in "~/.local/share" regardless. This is a problem for at least two reasons. First, what should be a cheap operation, a simple "rename", can become very costly if what is being trashed is large, because now the file has to be physically moved. Second, it may be a security risk. It certainly is for my setup, for example. It involves two partitions, one for the operating system, unencrypted, which includes "/home/username/", and another one, luks encrypted, where I keep my user files, and which is symlinked to "/home/username/". So, trashing a file from dired, with such a setup, results in the files being stored unencrypted, when they shouldn't. I wouldn't say there's nothing much peculiar in this setup, it is certainly legitimate. I'm not sure what's the standard expected behavior (I suppose the freedesktop.org specs for it). But my distro's file manager (which happens to be `nemo' from Linux Mint) certainly does not do that. It sends such files to a different trash directory at the root of the other partition's mount point. Best regards, Gustavo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* bug#58781: 28.2; move-file-to-trash may move file across filesystems 2022-10-25 20:00 bug#58781: 28.2; move-file-to-trash may move file across filesystems Gustavo Barros @ 2022-10-25 21:57 ` Gustavo Barros 2022-10-26 6:22 ` Stefan Kangas 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Gustavo Barros @ 2022-10-25 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 58781 Hi All, a couple of additions to this report. First, I did some searching on the freedesktop.org specs, which I found at: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/trash-spec/trashspec-latest.html. The relevant bit seems to be: "A system can have one or more trash directories. The contents of any trash directory are to be compliant with the same standard, described below. For every user a “home trash” directory MUST be available. Its name and location are $XDG_DATA_HOME/Trash; $XDG_DATA_HOME is the base directory for user-specific data, as defined in the Desktop Base Directory Specification . The “home trash” SHOULD function as the user's main trash directory. Files that the user trashes from the same file system (device/partition) SHOULD be stored here (see the next section for the storage details). A “home trash” directory SHOULD be automatically created for any new user. If this directory is needed for a trashing operation but does not exist, the implementation SHOULD automatically create it, without any warnings or delays. The implementation MAY also support trashing files from the rest of the system (including other partitions, shared network resources, and removable devices) into the “home trash” directory . This is a “failsafe” method: trashing works for all file locations, the user can not fill up any space except the home directory, and as other users generally do not have access to it, no security issues arise. However, this solution leads to costly file copying (between partitions, over the network, from a removable device, etc.) A delay instead of a quick “delete” operation can be unpleasant to users. An implementation MAY choose not to support trashing in some of these cases (notably on network resources and removable devices). This is what some well known operating systems do. It MAY also choose to provide trashing in the “top directories” of some or all mounted resources." Etc. This means `move-file-to-trash' is technically within specs, since "The implementation MAY also support trashing files from the rest of the system (including other partitions, shared network resources, and removable devices) into the “home trash” directory." I heartily disagree though with the "no security issues arise" statement. And I still think it would be better to support trashing to "top directories". Of course, this makes this report a "feature request" rather than a "bug". Second, for anyone else half as concerned with this as I am, you may be interested in a workaround too. For the time being, I'm using: (defun system-move-file-to-trash (filename) (if-let ((exec (executable-find "gio"))) (let ((fn (directory-file-name (expand-file-name filename)))) (set-process-sentinel (start-process "trash-file" nil exec "trash" fn) (lambda (_proc event) (when (string-match-p "^exited abnormally.*" event) (message "Sorry, couldn't trash the file."))))) (error "Executable `gio' not found, can't trash file."))) This is somewhat ad hoc, using the way `move-file-to-trash' is constructed to support Windows I suppose, but it gets things done. It is system dependent too, but it is a matter of finding the right command line incantation for trashing a file in your system to adjust things. Best regards, Gustavo. On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 17:00, Gustavo Barros <gusbrs.2016@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to investigate bug#58721 > (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2022-10/msg01987.html), > couldn't figure it out yet, but in the process of doing so, I've found > another issue. Namely, that `move-file-to-trash' may move the file > across filesystems with some undesired implications, including > potential security risk. > > This happens because, for the case using the freedesktop.org method, > in setting trash directory, the procedure is the following: > > (xdg-data-dir > (directory-file-name > (expand-file-name "Trash" > (or (getenv "XDG_DATA_HOME") > "~/.local/share")))) > > There's no provision to check whether `xdg-data-dir' belongs to the > same filesystem (partition) as the file being moved there. As a > result, the `move-file-to-trash' may move the file across filesystems. > Indeed, I've tested it and, if you are trashing a file from a > different partition, it ends in "~/.local/share" regardless. > > This is a problem for at least two reasons. First, what should be a > cheap operation, a simple "rename", can become very costly if what is > being trashed is large, because now the file has to be physically > moved. Second, it may be a security risk. > > It certainly is for my setup, for example. It involves two > partitions, one for the operating system, unencrypted, which includes > "/home/username/", and another one, luks encrypted, where I keep my > user files, and which is symlinked to "/home/username/". So, trashing > a file from dired, with such a setup, results in the files being > stored unencrypted, when they shouldn't. I wouldn't say there's > nothing much peculiar in this setup, it is certainly legitimate. > > I'm not sure what's the standard expected behavior (I suppose the > freedesktop.org specs for it). But my distro's file manager (which > happens to be `nemo' from Linux Mint) certainly does not do that. It > sends such files to a different trash directory at the root of the > other partition's mount point. > > Best regards, > Gustavo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* bug#58781: 28.2; move-file-to-trash may move file across filesystems 2022-10-25 21:57 ` Gustavo Barros @ 2022-10-26 6:22 ` Stefan Kangas 2022-10-26 11:05 ` Gustavo Barros 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2022-10-26 6:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gustavo Barros, 58781 tags 58781 + security thanks Gustavo Barros <gusbrs.2016@gmail.com> writes: > This means `move-file-to-trash' is technically within specs, since > "The implementation MAY also support trashing files from the rest of > the system (including other partitions, shared network resources, and > removable devices) into the “home trash” directory." I heartily > disagree though with the "no security issues arise" statement. Yes, that argument overlooks what happens when files are moved from encrypted partitions to unencrypted ones. That is bad. Maybe someone should bring this issue to the xdg mailing list? BTW, I also wonder why there is no "xdg-trash" script that we could use. > And I still think it would be better to support trashing to "top > directories". Of course, this makes this report a "feature request" > rather than a "bug". Agreed, but I don't think this makes it into a non-bug. > Second, for anyone else half as concerned with this as I am, you may > be interested in a workaround too. For the time being, I'm using: > > (defun system-move-file-to-trash (filename) > (if-let ((exec (executable-find "gio"))) > (let ((fn (directory-file-name (expand-file-name filename)))) > (set-process-sentinel > (start-process "trash-file" nil exec "trash" fn) > (lambda (_proc event) > (when (string-match-p "^exited abnormally.*" event) > (message "Sorry, couldn't trash the file."))))) > (error "Executable `gio' not found, can't trash file."))) > > This is somewhat ad hoc, using the way `move-file-to-trash' is > constructed to support Windows I suppose, but it gets things done. It > is system dependent too, but it is a matter of finding the right > command line incantation for trashing a file in your system to adjust > things. Could you write this up as a proper patch, instead? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* bug#58781: 28.2; move-file-to-trash may move file across filesystems 2022-10-26 6:22 ` Stefan Kangas @ 2022-10-26 11:05 ` Gustavo Barros 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Gustavo Barros @ 2022-10-26 11:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 58781 Hi Stefan, On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 03:22, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, that argument overlooks what happens when files are moved from > encrypted partitions to unencrypted ones. That is bad. > Agreed, but I don't think this makes it into a non-bug. Thanks for looking into this. And, particularly, for the way you classified the report. It is my understanding too that this should be cause for concern. > Could you write this up as a proper patch, instead? I don't think this snippet is a proper general solution to the problem, except as a temporary workaround for anyone interested to keep in their init files. I shared it in this spirit, at least. As far as I searched, "gio" stands for "Gnome Input/Output", I presume this is distro specific. Also, even if it was not, "gio trash" appears to have some limitations in that some places are not supported like "system internal mounts" (eg. "/tmp/", this is the reason for the sentinel there), so some further handling of cases would still be necessary. Besides, unfortunately I cannot sign a patch (no papers), so I have to contribute in other ways. I'm not that well acquainted with `files.el', but as far as I've looked into `move-file-to-trash', I think the right way to handle it would be directly there, or in a dedicated `xdg-trash', as you suggest. It is more complicated than the current standing but it appears not to be overly so. It's really three cases, and then there are the checks for "$topdir/.Trash". Anyway, I didn't seem to find any "universal Linux way" available for the operation so, as far as I can tell, relying on the system tools would not be a wise alternative. Best regards, Gustavo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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