From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20697: 25.0.50; Mention `M-x report-emacs-bug' on splash screen Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 15:44:58 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874l2az3r3.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <5d8f820c-4029-45cf-8fd7-b1fc44f8e6e3@default> <5e1c6ad4-5c01-4989-bbcf-7e398ba9ede6@default> <4496bd9e-58ee-45b5-967d-3402ce4999bd@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000000d60c005939d36cc" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="8423"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20697@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 28 15:46:59 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iED3p-00021U-NA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 15:46:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33102 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iED3o-00039G-4m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:46:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iED2x-00037J-Na for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:46:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iED2w-0007Fz-34 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:46:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40664) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iED2v-0007Fk-V3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iED2v-0007FU-Qr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:46:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20697 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20697-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20697.156967831927810 (code B ref 20697); Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:46:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2019 13:45:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49485 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iED2E-0007EU-GL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:45:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com ([209.85.215.175]:34389) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iED2B-0007EA-Ez for 20697@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:45:17 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id y35so4943843pgl.1 for <20697@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 06:45:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=klU883XWR0jk24nfAwrZ1aJYzPYIQMa8w5gMuLGm5Z8=; b=kd5CmNDKO3C7wy/ZpEU2+/4J4WJD22pMq2OMV7SNohBZ5nMVn1NrnzArqFPsfT+L5D yWg02JzP/m/N9gU1LSQbvUHHDoQGhFNJUzSg5/DOMVPY9ytNI6CohNXo57XKEQPMvh4q vO0KIK2kCQT+xnJyPyYaUNd8t9tfjyMterK5PutmR6RPiAMbrwBvnCUnB57hsxaqiJcf Gx5jOYLCdoJ2BGKZn/1OLUmNbhdRb0/ojKszIzXDboLhxq20ppqwiuhYS/UX8bP/urcJ ciMpXIjTJgbL+Cn9+MQd0w50q6HueTwb0Pq130LzlTjcHJa658NxG7i5tL5BW8kLNiHc a7Cw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVIBKE0Abpda1HcUTstnNcIEVp2qNLOse7xJxUN8DvlvQsplB+I MpvL+fDbTMI+ZomNqRm3HTXLbLOIgbWGM3JR2e0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx/ceiBTt+OvO4XrDpERUX7qLgIes4bJYiE5j3WpA/70PNpPo8Gw9SfPNYGQA31jvLIHQxv3LCWOBr7sP837+k= X-Received: by 2002:a63:1310:: with SMTP id i16mr13717508pgl.200.1569678309533; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 06:45:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4496bd9e-58ee-45b5-967d-3402ce4999bd@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167482 Archived-At: --0000000000000d60c005939d36cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Drew Adams writes: > > > So I'd "waste" a few extra chars to spell out that > > > invitation explicitly. Something like this: > > > > > > "How to report bugs and suggest or contribute possible improvements" > > > > I find that line a bit too packed with information to be easily > > parsed. I think that the concern Lars has pointed out is valid here: > > the about screen is already very dense. > > Then get rid of some other parts of the link text or > other parts of the too-dense screen. Don't get rid > of the part about suggesting improvements. > > This bug report is especially about explicitly > inviting enhancement suggestions/wishes. That needs > to be on top, up-front, in link text - not relegated > to some text at the link target. [...] > > I came up with the attached tentative patch that adds a paragraph to > > "Contributing" manual page, attached here for discussion. > > > > But thinking about this a bit more, I can't decide if it's a good idea > > to encourage this or not. There is a risk that we get too many low > > quality suggestions that we will waste a lot of time handling. > > I couldn't disagree more with such fear/hesitation. I largely agree with what you're saying; thanks for spelling it out. I see two options to move forward here: 1. Add a new item (or reformulate an old one) on the splash screen. 2. Add something to the "Contributing" page about feature suggestions. I'm not too enthusiastic about option 1, but I've re-attached my patch which tries to do 2. (They are not mutually exclusive.) Any other opinions, please? 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