From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46926: Remove the quotes from highlighted/linked symbols when displaying docs Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:38:18 -0600 Message-ID: References: <8335xa25wy.fsf@gnu.org> <_H0XqIXt1dfP3H0t7B5ffiqUQfbMsO6VjonudikF85OIm5y8BWOkrXn4_dedZzvdxv4o5Ug2rhFkFqAqNuS9-XIKRsSy2P4IBrBE5QMtK9I=@protonmail.com> <83y2f2zrz6.fsf@gnu.org> <87eeguu0q0.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5450"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: scame , 46926@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 12 02:39:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWll-0001JG-FJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 02:39:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48414 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWlk-0005dS-Ar for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:39:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWlb-0005bR-2C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:39:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWla-0007jA-Iu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:39:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWla-0002SN-F9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:39:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 01:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 46926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46926.16155131069399 (code B ref 46926); Fri, 12 Mar 2021 01:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2021 01:38:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWl0-0002RX-6x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:38:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-f180.google.com ([209.85.214.180]:46617) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWky-0002R8-Cn for 46926@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:38:24 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-f180.google.com with SMTP id a8so4635988plp.13 for <46926@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:38:24 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=D990Ex2pafMbMvlh+8kkjTjS3+BuPamI6nJNXIQVYnY=; b=Vq04/e/Taz1FmiDq/wa9uHc0bnk8Qi8HJB7KKDGR+kWZUkMRTWfgwbIpX1jZZlDslk IZ4Ok18+OXSGNYEM66KcEuHieWWF6VAZL5hq9qTt4xKsqQ0QG3KeANUi6vDo5Z8xSZx7 UlqE2NSoaJyRyzFjzOKv38ejS3VGPmHLTMAbSKn8pAB2igaQmYNjs9fkilO4j1fCWfd2 GBVsLBIU7xOABbMeP20kJSgpAdBGcONsWSsbQwTTEZYCK98dtTkEalJBHBbkXgvzVwsT yfrCNR5vojE/EIdQNZynHAoQgfkIRoRkK5m4O0kPf/6LWGMZBShGVVrnQj3hbBqfcxfu b70w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530HAiCPe4FfXIyQbfRLRhLfgcJIoIMsErERbPSf4CqYRgupIxLK GT/NJbPk7iAw4BKUIF1DU6pnJKOR4KGu2tnJ8YA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy7evF65Y8XrF5AVSHqJ3EN3BLE/sY0Ztr834MaMSN4nk3FCZZWbDKuTRS1KiGgN/scJXZYqbljaheSQCyk9Uo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b683:b029:e5:d0a4:c545 with SMTP id c3-20020a170902b683b02900e5d0a4c545mr11225158pls.41.1615513098756; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:38:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:38:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: <87eeguu0q0.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 04 Mar 2021 21:23:51 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:202118 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I don't think I agree, but maybe someone else will have an opinion? > > I don't have an opinion here, really, but I think the example posted > without the quotes looked nicer. Yes, I must agree that it looks far better. The point of `quotes' is to make these symbols stand out in comparison to the surrounding text. But the linking face we use is already very aggressive: not just blue but also underlined. So I think this is by far already highlighted enough, which means the quotes are superfluous and should be removed. Speaking strictly about help-mode, I think removing them is therefore just sound typography that will make it easier to read the help text. > On the other hand, since we quote symbols like that all over Emacs, > removing them just in info mode is perhaps not optimal. I have no opinion about Info, as there we do not have any linking going on. IOW, the extra emphasis the `quotes' add is fine in that context. About the only drawback I see to removing them from help is what you say: that we lose some consistency as compared to the rest of Emacs. IMO, this price is well worth paying to get cleaner help buffers.