From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eduardo Ochs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#74488: Why not modernize Emacs Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 01:07:57 -0300 Message-ID: References: <9039ab2e-e781-4d80-8aa0-f39e690f076a@me.com> <86ttbymo5e.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29263"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 74488@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii To: Raj Divecha Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 27 05:10:28 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tG9Nk-0007Rb-Kt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:10:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tG9NP-00075R-Tv; 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Tue, 26 Nov 2024 20:08:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:296017 Archived-At: On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 19:42, Raj Divecha wrote: > > But the point is why not just make a user friendly interface? How > can a new comer like VS Code come and grab the market and a powerful > tool like Emacs can't? Hi Raj, Most people who write Emacs extensions do that in their spare time, and for fun - and writing for a target audience of users who know the basics of Lisp is much more fun that writing for users who don't know Lisp, who don't like Lisp, and who want an editor that is like VSCode... Cheers =(, Eduardo Ochs http://anggtwu.net/eev-intros/find-elisp-intro.html -- They tried to fool a Black population By telling them Lisp-Lisp dead And I knows Lisp no dead