From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Moore Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23689: Daemon-mode on Windows - "w32-initialized" is set too early Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:58:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8337otw9m0.fsf@gnu.org> <83shwtusoj.fsf@gnu.org> <83porxuhfo.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2hrelwy.fsf@gnu.org> <83inxbeh1o.fsf@gnu.org> <83fusfdvuh.fsf@gnu.org> <8360taec1z.fsf@gnu.org> <83vb1acv3r.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466009963 27428 80.91.229.3 (15 Jun 2016 16:59:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23689@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 18:59:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDE9p-0008CE-8J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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If I have to define a fontset using the name of a font that's on >> the system, how do I obtain such a font name in a cross-platform way? > > I suggested a way of doing that in my previous message. Sorry, I missed that (I focused straight on "you could modify the default fontset"). My mistake, sorry. >> Am I allowed to reuse the font name that was used for the default >> fontset? > > Sure, why not? Yes, that follows from the above. As to "why not" I was thinking of it as being the name of the fontset, and so possibly having to be unique. I understand now. >> So - to summarise. There seems to be a lot of complexity here, in >> achieving what feels like it ought to be a pretty straightforward >> requirement. > > It's not straightforward, it's pretty advanced stuff. Most users > don't mess with fontsets, and if they want to customize fonts, they > know their favorite fonts in advance. In terms of what I'm learning, it's definitely advanced! (And your help is appreciated). I always though of the *idea* of a fallback font as pretty basic, though (but maybe that's simply because I came from Vim, where it's built in). >> On the other hand, there's clearly some issues around the idea of a >> hook that runs "once the display system is ready" - spacemacs' >> current hack has problems, and so does any alternative approach I've >> tried. But if there genuinely isn't a good hook we can use (and no >> likelihood of one being added) then I guess I have to live with >> that. > > The problem is that "hook that runs once the display system is ready" > is not well defined. "The display system" includes several > components, and the order and timing of their setup do not necessarily > fit your specific needs. OK, I get that. As I say, it's just a reality that I'll have to live with. >> I do appreciate all of the help you've given - and I completely >> respect the fact that you don't want to get sucked into what's >> essentially a spacemacs issue. But if you have any further suggestions >> on how something like this *should* be handled, I'd appreciate them. > > Sorry, I don't know enough about spacemacs to tell anything else. No problem. And now that you pointed out the part of your previous message that I missed, I have enough to go on. Many thanks for your time and help. Paul