Well it seems quite obvious now that I simply overlooked the fact that quoting a list results in its elements not getting evaluated. I would argue that, although there might be no real bug in the doc, the doc still somehow helped me to overlook this fact. I think backquoting is not very much a hassle, but it would be nice to get reminded about it for when using the (kbd ...) construct. Of course if the (kbd "j") would not have worked I would have been less confused and maybe had found the mistake myself, but because that one did work it appeared to me to be a bug. Anyway, I think a simple change/addition in the docstring and/or the examples in section 23.3.3 of the elisp manual could help make things clearer. On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 18:05, Drew Adams wrote: > > > The cons ((kbd "C-n") . 'foo) is exactly such a > > > (KEY . BINDING) pair - both KEY and BINDING are > > > suitable arguments for `define-key'. > > > > Is it? > > > > ELISP> (define-key global-map '(kbd "C-n") ''foo) > > *** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: arrayp, (kbd "C-n") > > I get your point. I guess maybe there are two ways > to read the doc string. > > The most _useful_ behavior for users, IMO, is for > `define-minor-mode' to allow expressions in arg > KEYMAP (when it's such a list) that correspond to > what a user writes in `(define-key ...)'. > > Is that particular list form of KEYMAP intended > mostly for programmatically supplying such a list, > or for users to write such a list? > > If the former, why is it needed/helpful at all, > since code can just as easily create a keymap arg. > If the latter, it gives users an easy way to write > key bindings directly for `define-minor-mode'. > > I hadn't even paid attention to the existence of > such a form for the KEYMAP arg. But it looks like > it could be handy for users to write - IF the sexp > to write is simple and straightforward. > > If users instead need to use backquote syntax or > jump through other hoops to write such a KEYMAP > sexp, then what's the point - what's the use case? > > Maybe there _is_ a programmatic use case. If so, > what is it? >