From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Anders Lindgren Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25818: 25.2; frame moved off display does not return (OS X) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 11:48:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <58AEA232.4000708@gmx.at> <58B30634.1090904@gmx.at> <58B3DDBA.6060003@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045e69764fb7bd0549a90d31 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1488365357 19636 195.159.176.226 (1 Mar 2017 10:49:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 25818@debbugs.gnu.org, "Charles A. 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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > But if one of the questions is whether an Emacs user > (or code) should _be able_ to position a frame off > screen then I emphatically say yes, s?he should. > > I have code that lets you incrementally move a frame > up/down/left/right, including wraparound or including > the possibility of not wrapping but continuing till > the frame is entirely off screen. > > I don't see anything wrong with _allowing_ someone > to position a frame off screen. Why they might want > to do that is up to them. > I can see the point of your argument. After all, this is how Emacs work today, and most people have been fine with it. However, I don't feel 100% comfortable with the current situation. The main issue is people with laptops connected to an extern monitor. When the external monitor is disconnected, Emacs might land off screen. I would imagine that most people would prefer that Emacs would be moved and resized to fit in the screen of the laptop (as I imagine, most macOS application behave). Secondly, I miss an easy accessible method to move off-screen frames into the visible parts of the display. On macOS, the menu is always accessible even if the window isn't, so the obvious place would be a menu item like "Collect Frame" (I noticed that "C-x 5 c" is unbound) -- it could be placed after "Delete Frame" in the "File" menu. If that question is not in fact being raised in this > bug discussion, then please ignore this intrusion, > and sorry for the noise. > No need to apologize, your input is always welcome! -- Anders --f403045e69764fb7bd0549a90d31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Drew Adams <<= a href=3D"mailto:drew.adams@oracle.com" target=3D"_blank">drew.adams@oracle= .com> wrote:
But if one of = the questions is whether an Emacs user
(or code) should _be able_ to position a frame off
screen then I emphatically say yes, s?he should.

I have code that lets you incrementally move a frame
up/down/left/right, including wraparound or including
the possibility of not wrapping but continuing till
the frame is entirely off screen.

I don't see anything wrong with _allowing_ someone
to position a frame off screen.=C2=A0 Why they might want
to do that is up to them.

I can see the= point of your argument. After all, this is how Emacs work today, and most = people have been fine with it.

However, I don'= t feel 100% comfortable with the current situation.

The main issue is people with laptops connected to an extern monitor. Whe= n the external monitor is disconnected, Emacs might land off screen. I woul= d imagine that most people would prefer that Emacs would be moved and resiz= ed to fit in the screen of the laptop (as I imagine, most macOS application= behave).

Secondly, I miss an easy accessible meth= od to move off-screen frames into the visible parts of the display. On macO= S, the menu is always accessible even if the window isn't, so the obvio= us place would be a menu item like "Collect Frame" (I noticed tha= t "C-x 5 c" is unbound) -- it could be placed after "Delete = Frame" in the "File" menu.


If that question is not in fact being raised in this
bug discussion, then please ignore this intrusion,
and sorry for the noise.

No need to apo= logize, your input is always welcome!

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 -- Anders

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