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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:25:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:72298 Archived-At: --14dae934036f73008904d793bedc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Windows provides a native method of entering polytonic Greek via its polytonic Greek keyboard. This keyboard, which is based on the keyboard used in Greece, is well integrated with the operating system and works in almost all Windows applications. Emacs should support it since it is the standard way to input polytonic Greek on Windows (and, moreover, in my opinion, it is a well-designed input method). Unfortunately, it unexpectedly fails to work in Emacs. For instance, I can enter =E1=BE=B6 (= a lower case alpha with a circumflex accent) by typing '[a', but in emacs doing that just produces a question mark. As another example, I can enter =E1=BE=B7 (a lower case alpha with a circumfle= x accent and an iota subscript) by typing '[' while holding the right alt key and then typing 'a', but of course this also fails in Emacs. There is a related possible inconvenience that I have noted connected with using Emacs to edit texts in polytonic Greek. Namely, there are a lot of commands that I don't remember the key combinations for and run using M-x, but it is necessary to switch back to the Latin keyboard to run any of these commands. Since no Emacs commands have Greek names, it would be convenient if Emacs switched to the Latin keyboard automatically in this context (and any other context where Latin input is likely to be required). By the way, while trying to send this bug report from Emacs, I noticed another thing that doesn't work as smoothly as it should. I use Gmail, and I think it is possible to send mail through Gmail using its smtp server, but obviously it will want a password. But giving the Gmail smtp server to the mail program invoked by the bug reporting function just failed and sent me some cryptic error message that the server sent it. This could be much more user friendly. In fact, given how popular Gmail is, it should probably just be one of the options presented to the user for sending mail. (I ended up cutting and pasting the message into my web browser.) In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.2.9200) of 2012-08-29 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.2.9200 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: DEU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? C-y M-x =CF=81 =CE=B5 =CF=80 =CE=BF =CF=81 = M-x C-g =CF=83 =CE=B4 =CE=BB =CE=BA =CF=86 =CE=BE =CE=B4 =CE=BB =CF=86 =CE=BA = =CE=BE =CE=BB =CE=B4 =CE=BA C-a C-k M-x =CE=BA =CE=BE SPC =CE=BA C-g M-x r e p o r SPC b SPC Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Mark set delete-backward-char: Text is read-only [2 times] Quit [2 times] Quit Load-path shadows: None found. 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Windows provides a native method of entering polytoni= c Greek via its
polytonic Greek keyboard. =C2=A0This keyboard= , which is based on the keyboard
used in Greece, is well integrat= ed with the operating system and works
in almost all Windows applications. =C2=A0Emacs should support it sinc= e it is
the standard way to input polytonic Greek on Windows (and= , moreover, in
my opinion, it is a well-designed input method). = =C2=A0Unfortunately, it
unexpectedly fails to work in Emacs. =C2=A0For instance, I can enter = =E1=BE=B6 (a
lower case alpha with a circumflex accent) by
<= div>typing '[a', but in emacs doing that just produces a question m= ark. =C2=A0As
another example, I can enter =E1=BE=B7 (a lower case alpha with a circ= umflex
accent and an iota subscript) by typing '[' while = holding the right alt
key and then typing 'a', but of cou= rse this also fails in Emacs.

There is a related possible inconvenience that I have n= oted connected
with using Emacs to edit texts in polytonic Greek.= =C2=A0Namely, there are a
lot of commands that I don't remem= ber the key combinations for and run
using M-x, but it is necessary to switch back to the Latin keyboard to=
run any of these commands. =C2=A0Since no Emacs commands have Gr= eek names, it
would be convenient if Emacs switched to the Latin = keyboard
automatically in this context (and any other context where Latin input=
is likely to be required).

By the= way, while trying to send this bug report from Emacs, I noticed another th= ing that doesn't work as smoothly as it should. =C2=A0I use Gmail, and = I think it is possible to send mail through Gmail using its smtp server, bu= t obviously it will want a password. =C2=A0But giving the Gmail smtp server= to the mail program invoked by the bug reporting function just failed and = sent me some cryptic error message that the server sent it. =C2=A0This coul= d be much more user friendly. =C2=A0In fact, given how popular Gmail is, it= should probably just be one of the options presented to the user for sendi= ng mail. =C2=A0(I ended up cutting and pasting the message into my web brow= ser.)

In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.2.9200)
= =C2=A0of 2012-08-29 on MARVIN
Windowing system distributor `Micro= soft Corp.', version 6.2.9200
Configured using:
=C2= =A0`configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags
=C2=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
=C2=A0-ID:/= devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src
=C2=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/lib= png-dev_1.4.3-1/include
=C2=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.= 5-2/include
=C2=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include
=C2=A0-ID= :/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
=C2=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/= tiff-3.8.2-1/include
=C2=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/inc= lude'

Important settings:
=C2=A0 value of $LC_ALL: nil
=C2=A0 value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
=C2=A0 value of $LC_CTY= PE: nil
=C2=A0 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
=C2=A0 value = of $LC_MONETARY: nil
=C2=A0 value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
=C2=A0 value of $LC_TIME: n= il
=C2=A0 value of $LANG: DEU
=C2=A0 value of $XMODIFIE= RS: nil
=C2=A0 locale-coding-system: cp1252
=C2=A0 defa= ult enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Lisp Interaction

M= inor modes in effect:
=C2=A0 tooltip-mode: t
=C2=A0 mou= se-wheel-mode: t
=C2=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 menu-ba= r-mode: t
=C2=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-encryption-mod= e: t
=C2=A0 auto-compression-mode: t
=C2=A0 line-number-mode: t
=C2=A0 transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
<language-change> ? ? ?= ? ? ? ? C-y <backspace> <backspace>=C2=A0
<backsp= ace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace= >=C2=A0
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>= ; <backspace>=C2=A0
<backspace> <backspace> <= ;backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=C2=A0
<back= space> M-x =CF=81 =CE=B5 =CF=80 =CE=BF =CF=81 <backspace> <back= space> <backspace>=C2=A0
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>= ; M-x=C2=A0
C-g =CF=83 =CE=B4 =CE=BB =CE=BA =CF=86 =CE=BE =CE=B4 = =CE=BB =CF=86 =CE=BA =CE=BE =CE=BB =CE=B4 =CE=BA C-a C-k M-x =CE=BA =CE=BE = SPC=C2=A0
=CE=BA C-g <language-change> <language-change&= gt; M-x r e p=C2=A0
o r SPC b SPC <return>

Recent messages:=
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a= .
Mark set
delete-backward-char: Text is read-only [2 t= imes]
Quit [2 times]
Quit

Load-path shado= ws:
None found.

Features:
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mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail regexp-opt rfc2047 rfc2045
ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date tooltip ediff-h= ook
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w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page
menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-l= ock
syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang
vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek
romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
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